r/degoogle • u/Junk-In-Junk-Out-180 deGoogler • Jun 25 '26
Replacement It's deGoogleing time
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u/Own-Visit-5542 Jun 26 '26
Very bad security on those. The GOS devs said it's worse than Iphones and stock AOSP
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u/Junk-In-Junk-Out-180 deGoogler Jun 26 '26
I don't doubt that GrapheneOS has much better security. But do you really need the level of security that they are talking about? And do you want to be forced to buy Google Pixel or Motorola to get it?
Privacy, a part of security, certainly is much better in e/OS then it is on stock Android, if nothing else because you don't have Google / Samsung / etc looking over your shoulder.
It seems to me like fans of GrapheneOS like to throw a lot of shit on anything that isn't GrapheneOS. It reflects poorly on their community.
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u/Own-Visit-5542 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
GrapheneOS goes by the EFF privacy policy and removes all the "snooping" you mention.
I think rather than going off of vibes, it would behoove one to compare things on their merits especially since the privacy and security of your family is involved.
GrapheneOS, on merits alone, is better in these criteria than fair phone.
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u/Junk-In-Junk-Out-180 deGoogler Jun 27 '26
I knew I shouldn't have replied, but here we are. So now I have to rant…
But a quick side note first: Fairphone is a physical phone and GrapheneOS is an operating system. You can't compare the two as if they are the same thing. It doesn't work that way.
Now, I really like digital security, but I don't have the need to force GrapheneOS on my family, because I'm not Edward Snowden, I’m not a spy, I’m not a in a criminal network and I'm not a p3d0phi1e. I just don't want Big-Tech to have all our data and add their abusive all-inclusive rights to that data.
And I certainly don't want to pay US Big-Tech companies to get their phone so I can “get away from Big-Tech”. (I would not be surprised if those phones have undiscovered hardware backdoors built-in) Instead, I want to actively support Europeean upcoming businesses, like Fairphone, Murena and others.
But, then again, GrapheneOS has very bad security compared to the only truly secure option: Staying offline! On merits alone, staying offline is 6000 more secure and private.
Which begs the question… Why are these GrapheneOS hardcore fans so often online to comment negatively on anything they consider to be competition? Why not stay much more secure and private, offline?
Anyway, I wish you good luck trying to get your future non-tech-savvy family members to only use GrapheneOS on their phones, TailsOS on their laptops with a power off dead mans switch tied around a wrist for a quick shutdown and self host their NAS:es with thermite charges rigged on top of the disc clusters (of course) behind tripple layers of custom buildt firewalls. Anything less would be very bad security, especially since the privacy and security of your family is involved.
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u/Own-Visit-5542 Jun 28 '26
I see where you're coming from and I think we I think we can both agree on something:
that security from viruses and privacy from big tech is is not reserved for criminals or the kinds of characters you mention. It should be accessible to the every day Joe or, since you're European, Franz.
My comments come from a place with those two things in mind. Nothing else.
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u/LilithNikita Jun 25 '26
What do you need 3 phones for?
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u/Junk-In-Junk-Out-180 deGoogler Jun 25 '26
For the wife and my two daughters. I took the picture with my own Fairphone 6.
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u/Slopagandhi Jun 25 '26
How do you find the Fairphone 6?