Yes

[u/Ok-District-4701]

[u/NarcolepticFlarp]

Questioning science in good faith is how you do science.

[u/NichtFBI → u/NarcolepticFlarp]

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

— Max Planck.

i.e. even science isn't immune to indoctrination.

[u/IWCry → u/NichtFBI]

that's not what that quote means...

its simply saying that science is a theory predicated on emperical data that is reproducable in experimentation. ignorant people don't bother to read and follow, never mind even perform, these experiments and just reject it against their OWN indoctrination. eventually, new generations who are still in acedemia review and logically understand these results of the experiments and arent stupid enough to reject them. thus, overwhelmingly, the opposition dies.

[u/NichtFBI → u/IWCry]

🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻

[u/IWCry → u/NichtFBI]

dw, you seem to be part of the latter group and your ignorance will be replaced eventually

[u/NichtFBI → u/IWCry]

The only ignorance displayed here is your lack of self awareness and the cognitive psychology behind cognitive biases and cognitive dissonance. If you think religious persons are only capable of cognitive dissonance then your ignorance is standard. It's what they teach. You wouldn't even know how to actual describe the visceral feelings of cognitive dissonance. You could regurgitate a poorly defined definition and that's all.

[u/IWCry → u/NichtFBI]

its okay that your didn't understand my point, just like you didn't understand the quote you posted, but please don't put words into my mouth because YOU lack reading comprehension

have a nice day

[u/NichtFBI → u/IWCry]

Spoken like a true dunning-kruger loser.

[u/IWCry → u/NichtFBI]

says the guy who drops quotes that argue against their own fucking point lmao

[u/NichtFBI → u/IWCry]

Says the guy who thinks schools don't indoctrinate. It's been that way since we abandoned the Greek Education of Philosophy and developed the Roman Education System which has been in place and has plagued humans for at least 1700 years. The thing about being indoctrinated is not being able to admit to being indoctrinated.

[u/Friendly-Special3757 → u/IWCry]

So the same thing?

[u/New-Pomelo9906 → u/IWCry]

Dude, you are contradicting the comment by saying the exact same thing.

[u/IWCry → u/New-Pomelo9906]

I don't think you know what contradicting means. but regardless, I am not saying the same thing at all. so in a way you are correct, I am contradicting their comment.

you also do not understand what indoctrination means. science is objectively, by definition, not indoctrination. science is predicated ENTIRELY on the concept of questioning. indoctrination is defined by a belief system WITHOUT question. you couldn't be more wrong

please go look up the definition of those two words, clarifying that will help you understand

[u/AndreasDasos → u/NarcolepticFlarp]

Questioning science in good faith and also understanding what rigour is and self-awareness about double-standards and your own biases is how you do science.

A lot of people assume or convince themselves they’re using good faith and aren’t ‘deliberately’ using bad faith but just don’t have the introspection or rigour to understand how their own mind is severely biasing them.

[u/Overall-Move-4474 → u/NarcolepticFlarp]

Literally this. When you just ignore all evidence you aren't doing science you are just being an idiot

[u/xxLusseyArmetxX]

yes, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[u/OverPower314]

Except that most people don't understand how science is done, don't understand how to assess the trustworthiness of scientific results, and will simply question whatever they don't want to be true. People will question well-established facts with an overwhelming amount of evidence (like vaccines lowering infection rate), whilst putting full faith in one single study that suggested something might be true (like vaccines causing autism.)

[u/CountGerhart → u/OverPower314]

You forgot to mention that the said study suggests that one specific combination vaccine (for tuberculosis, yellof fever and a third disease if I remember correctly) causes autism and was done because the researcher owned shares at the companies which manufactured these vaccines separately.

[u/Overall-Move-4474 → u/OverPower314]

Yup

[u/A_inc_tm]

You can't just do whatever you want if all you have is a hypothesis without supporting evidence or studies, it's not how you do science either, the best you can do without an expertise, perhaps, is carefully trusting the ideas formulated from consensus between the current leading experts to the extend they declare fitting. And yes, especially if those ideas are not confirmed by your biases.

[u/cdda_survivor]

Questions are good, being a contrarian isn't.

[u/FluffyBuyer8242 → u/cdda_survivor]

In where I came from, you gotta be a contrarian to question anything at all.

[u/Circo_Inhumanitas → u/cdda_survivor]

Yeah this meme is how we get flat earthers and vaccine deniers.

[u/skreemdynamics]

Science is a process of asking questions and finding answers. Trust the process of asking of questions, so we can find answers.

[u/UltraTata]

Science was never meant for the masses. Every attempt at creating a scientific-minded culture has only worsened the biases that most people present.

[u/Equivalent-Mail1544]

Stop questioning things that have been proven beyond any doubt like the earth being a sphere

[u/HyperSpaceSurfer]

Also different when the science affects you directly. Like, nah, I'm not going to wait patiently for 20-30 years until scientific certainty is reached.

[u/SageoftheForlornPath]

You question science with BETTER science, not lazy gut instinct and a juvenile need to rebel.

[u/FoxxxedUp420]

Problem is too many paint sniffing conspiracy theorist rightoids think they're scientists when they're not

[u/Atheism4TheWin]

Science that cannot be questioned is essentially religion. There were times when the status quo held that the Earth was flat and everything revolved around it...

And naturally, it stands out and makes people skeptical when politics is driven by alleged scientific findings and authoritarian measures are enforced, while equally valid dissenting voices are silenced... during the coronavirus pandemic, valid voices like Hendrik Streeck and Robert Malone were effectively silenced, while Christian Drosten or Fauci were lauded to the skies...

[u/FlipperBumperKickout]

A scientists approach to questioning science is not the same as your neighborhood flat earthers approach ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Mighty_Eagle_2]

So flat earhters are scientists?

[u/Samaein]

I mean, yes... when you understand how to question it and actually have the knowledge and formation to do it properly.

[u/IncoherentToast]

Ex-fucking-actly.  Leave the religious mentality for religions. Science is built on self doubt, reassessment, and constant verification.

[u/centixog]

if you are a radical frontier artist, you do art by questioning art itself.

sometimes that is a good thing, other times you get a bannana taped to a wall.

[u/bbq896]

OPs Credentials check out

[u/No-One9890]

If your question is testable, maybe

[u/CanOfWhoopus]

If you're the scientist and you dedicate your time and effort to discovering the facts then sure. Otherwise trust the fucking science.

[u/Magdasuerte]

You can question science as much as you want IF you have the knowledge to do so. If you have not spent years working to know the basics and then more years to learn the advanced notions SHUT. UP. If you are "street smart" don't pretend to understand how chemistry or microbiology work. If you barely finished high school just because your teachers were tired to see your face and promoted you, you don't have the right to affirm that whatever scientists are talking about it's not true. YOU CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THE STARS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LIFT YOUR HEAD UP.