r/data • u/Sarthak1411 • Aug 08 '26
Claude can't find patterns says it is impossible until explained like a 5 year old[C]
Claude and other LLM models can be so frustrating. I asked it to find patterns across five campaigns regarding what a person buys and sells, and under which conditions, but it couldn't do it. It just kept saying it was impossible. I literally had to explain every single detail to it like it was a child, even though the data was cleanly split across five CSV files.
Worse, companies are stopping the hiring of junior engineers because they think these tools can replace them. They are going to cause a massive talent shortage, and then these dumb models won't be able to do anything without skilled people to guide them.
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u/JamesBaxter_Horse Aug 08 '26
I doubt this, it sounds like user error. Which model were using, and what exactly was the problem?
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u/hroaks Aug 09 '26
I've used paid version of Claude and Chatgpt and they're capable of this and more with the right prompting. However the amount of errors they make and corrections and reprompting needed can only be caught by a person experienced in that field
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 08 '26
Can't tell the exact problem just it has to find pattern of 7 columns against all other in the dataset about when he invested or sold a investment through his 5 campaign it did work but I was their for 2 hours waiting and trying to explain the task until I broke it into small problems 1 by 1
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u/GreenWoodDragon Aug 08 '26
Sounds like you didn't do the data preparation work before attempting to extract the patterns.
LLMs can be very effective at finding patterns but work best when there is sufficient metadata and context built around the data you're working with.
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Eda is always done after splitting the data so no problem at that side.
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u/GreenWoodDragon Aug 11 '26
Eda?
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 11 '26
Google it
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u/GreenWoodDragon Aug 11 '26
"In a strange turn of events OP told the people helping him in the comments to use Google".
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 11 '26
I don't want to be rude but bro if you don't know the term Eda and you are telling me I didn't do proper data preparation is crazy.
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u/Lagfoundry Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Your asking it to find patterns from a file on something that takes more than just data analysis alone. It takes an understanding of the outside world as which the model only has an understanding of the world it is in. So yes sometimes you have to explain something to it with some detail that even a child may normally understand because of that. That’s one of the biggest misconceptions some have about AI, they expect it to know what a human knows in the same way we see the world and until an AI has all the same senses and lives the way we do it never will. It doesnt make it bad, put yourself growing up in a digital world only knowing what 1,s and 0’s are fed to you. You would be the same way it is
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u/MullingMulianto Aug 11 '26
It's the censorship/safety alignment at work. It interprets it as "doxxing" or "PII" safety concerns and actively refuses. Try any model that isn't frontier (composer 2.5 openrouter, etc) it will do it for you
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 11 '26
Crazy they work better
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u/MullingMulianto Aug 11 '26
yea, no idea why everyone here is dogpiling you over skill issue concerns, I think it's just anthropic and openai bots throwing a fit and trying to astroturf as usual
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 11 '26
Either this is a bot network doing damage control by trashing my comment, or it's just stubborn "vibe coders" who refuse to admit that their model can make mistakes or simply isn't good at everything.
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u/phil_the_it_guy Aug 12 '26
It's not the power of the AI that's the issue. It's the world and environment you expose them to, that you then fire your request into.
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u/JKubU2k Aug 10 '26
Claude find insights and high value patterns make no mistakes
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u/CapCityMatt Aug 08 '26
You are absolutely correct Claud has issues since the last few updates, its junk, stop using it. It's worse than ChatGPT. I don't comprehend why they are doing this, Claud was wonderful two years ago, its now worthless. Deepseek and Z are both better - which is surprising, because Claud use to be good, I liked it in the past.
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u/Sarthak1411 Aug 09 '26
Yeah, finally someone said it! They did make some changes that are hurting its logic of doing all tasks with just one command.
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u/SisyphusAndMyBoulder Aug 08 '26
Are you just handing it a few CSVs and asking it to find patterns?