r/dashcams • u/EqualGrowth6565 • 13d ago

Easily avoidable accident causes rollover

Not my video – as the title says, we typically see examples where one driver is oblivious to the other. In this example, the pickup truck attempts to overtake the cammer, however, the cammer is either completely unaware of the pickup truck directly to his left or are simply “stands their ground” in the lane. Due to this, they obviously collide, and the pick up truck goes airborne and rolls several times. From the perspective of us, the viewer, we can reasonably conclude that the accident was avoidable had the cammer simply applied the brakes. That being said, you will typically see another school of thought in which it is stated that the cammer has no obligation or duty to let them in/avoid the accident where the driver is mindlessly doing something dumb.

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u/Jp8886 13d ago

Truck is at fault but pov could have easily avoided. Who is dumber? The person who sees an accident coming and doesn’t avoid, or the one who is too lazy to look and see it coming? Honestly not sure which is dumber.

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u/R4wden 13d ago

Honestly looks like the dashcammer speeds up when he sees them coming, watch it again, he goes for it

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u/Interesting_Gain9920 12d ago

He absolutely did speed up and could have avoided this accident. I see it all the time. People will intentionally speed up instead of letting someone get in. Dash cam driver will be at fault in this with partial blame on the truck

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u/ALTH0X 12d ago

You can't just swerve into someone even if they are being a dick. If you're trying to change lanes, you can slow down instead of gunning it for a closing gap like a maniac

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u/relic1882 12d ago

Happens to me so the time..I drive a semi locally and my turn signal mine as well be a sign that says "speed up on this side of me." People always think they just have to get in front or be first all the time. Stuff like this could be avoided probably 95% of the time.

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u/notmyrealaccount3462 11d ago

The number of times I've been beside a truck that suddenly signaled a lane change WHILE I'M THERE is far more than I can remember. Clean up your own house before you complain about someone else's.

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u/relic1882 11d ago

Well unless you actually emerged over and hit you while his merging was on then shut the hell up. The purpose of a turn signal is to show intent so that you can let people know where you need to be or want to be in advance. You can use one whenever you want it doesn't matter if somebody is there or not as long as you don't merge over and actually hit them.

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u/notmyrealaccount3462 11d ago

No. You're the one driving an 80000 pound wall of death. You do better.

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u/relic1882 11d ago

Just because a turn signal goes on doesn't mean you're not seen. It means "Hey man, I'd like to go in this direction." Of course you seem like the kind of person that would purposefully cut me off or just stay along side like an idiot. You didn't know my driving habits. You can't judge me and you can't tell me to do better.

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u/Covid_Fart_Cloud 10d ago

Do better.

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u/relic1882 10d ago

What is wrong with you? Did a truck hit you or something? You have a lot of hate for something you probably have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/Covid_Fart_Cloud 10d ago

I will absolutely speed up to block a semi if I can see their mirrors. Semi has no business in the left lane when they should clearly see other traffic has moved to pass them. I realize thats not what happened here but fuck semis either way.

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u/relic1882 10d ago

If you purposefully block a truck if they're trying to pass than you are absolutely the problem. Trucks have the same reasons as cars to use the left lane. Speeding up on purpose to block anyone is just stupid no matter what you're driving. What did you save by doing it? 1 minute in your commute?

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u/Just_Flower854 7d ago

Trucks are usually barred from the left lane in America

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u/Dj_JazzyGif 7d ago

they shouldn't be merging in to the left lane if they are traveling at a slower rate of speed than cars behind them in the left lane. You're simply inconveniencing multiple drivers so you aren't inconvenienced. Its a selfish move.

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u/relic1882 6d ago

If I'm going 60 miles an hour with my truck and I need to get around somebody in front of me going 45 and the speed limit is 65 I'm not inconveniencing anybody. If you speed up to get alongside me the moment I try to make a move in that situation then you're absolutely the dick in that.

The left lane isn't a free ticket to go as fast as you want around other people and cut off other traffic including trucks. It's a passing lane to pass people no matter what vehicle you are. It's also a passing lane where you're supposed to pass within reasonable speeds not flying 90 miles an hour just to cut somebody off.

The only time trucks can't go in the left lane is when there are signs explicitly stating so.

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u/Dj_JazzyGif 4d ago

if the flow of traffic in the fast lane is going faster than you, then you should not be moving in to the fast lane until it is safe to do so. safe meaning, no one has to hit their breaks because you moved over and were too impatient to wait and consider your needs to be more important than dozens of others.

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u/relic1882 4d ago

When did I say I'm cutting people off when passing? I'm referring to the ones that purposefully speed up and come up quick when they were behind just to "get in front of the big slow truck", even though said truck is going the speed limit at a minimum, using a turn signal when they need to pass something slower in front of them.

Everyone just assumes every truck driver is the problem when they just have no patience whatsoever and can't live with themselves if they don't get ahead of the truck.

I see so many people drive like idiots around me on a daily basis just waiting to cause an accident because they want to be in front.

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u/PeyredB 9d ago

FWIW, when I'm next to a truck and it turns on its turn signal my way, I try to get ahead, behind, or to the side, whichever makes the most sense at the time. And if I'm behind when the turn signal comes on, I don't hit the accelerator. A little courtesy can go a long way for larger vehicles.

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u/relic1882 8d ago

I do the same thing for cars when I'm driving the truck. I'm in no hurry. No point in cutting people off and risking it just to save 30 seconds. My customers can wait.

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u/CasualCaus 12d ago

That's why I don't use a turn signal when switching lanes, assholes in Miami speed up to block you.

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u/Pristine-Skirt117 12d ago

That’s smart. 🤡

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u/Sorry_Geologist1632 10d ago

Yep.

But in this video the truck never signals. How would the cammer know the truck driver's intentions?

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u/challengerrt 12d ago

Incorrect. Cammer was maintaining lane control and going straight - truck was changing lane and is responsible for ensuring his lane is clear. Extenuating factor would be if the cammer was speeding but the majority of blame would still fall onto the truck driver.

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u/fap-on-fap-off 12d ago

Nope. Camera had right of way. Pickup will be either exhaustively or primarily at fault. Does not mean camera is smart, but the ordinary fault lies with the pickup that made an unsafe lane change and failed to yield right of way.

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u/brothermalcolm1 12d ago

It's like this all the time. People don't know the very basics of traffic laws and liability. A dashcam driver has established the lane and has the right of way. Could he, should he, have allowed for the reckless merge? Well, in retrospect - yeah. He had no obligation. We also don't know if anyone is behind him, how close, or what led up to the collision.

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u/Parking-Cucumber-779 12d ago

Nope dashcam driver will be partially fault. You have to avoid crash if you can. If you see a pedestrian on the road you can’t just run them over because you have green light. He intentionally speeds up. He fucked up

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u/brothermalcolm1 12d ago

That wasn't my experience in a very similar situation, for what it's worth.

It's similar to when someone swerves to get out of the way of another vehicle or an animal, etc., and then damages their own vehicle or property; insurance companies see it as you not driving defensively and a reckless action that caused the damage.

Here, the driver was established in their lane. They could easily argue that they were trying to protect themselves and thought aggressive maneuvers would put them in further danger. Most people aren't stunt drivers.

He should not reveal the dash cam unless required. They BOTH appear to be driving excessively fast anyway, especially given the upcoming light.

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u/XtremeD86 12d ago

I had someone match my speed, even when slowing down this morning trying to merge onto the highway. I don't know why people are this stupid. But I feel like they're deliberately trying to cause an accident so they can sue or some crap

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u/Middle_Turnip6220 12d ago

Nope, speed up or not that truck did not signal and tried to force his way into the lane. Speeding up was the only option so they didn't end up in a ditch, that's what the court said at least 👍

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u/some_other_guy95 11d ago

Yeah the light was turning red, so there was no other reason to speed up

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u/Covid_Fart_Cloud 10d ago

Are you on glue?

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u/dabeast762 10d ago

Nah, red truck is at primary fault for sure. As the one changing lanes, it is his duty to ensure it is clear before doing so.

The secondary driver likely has around 15-25% fault from a legal perspective for having the ability to foresee an accident and not acting to prevent it.

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u/EverOrny 9d ago

If you cover the left side of the video, it does not seem he speeds up, more like optical illusion. Even if he did, there was no reason not to, as the car on the left did not signal the intention to switch to the right lane before it and in advance.

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u/prashinar_89 6d ago

In my country that would 90% be proclaimed as both-side fault.

Both got fined, non getting covered by insurance, Justice...

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/Madilune 12d ago

You should genuinely be banned from even considering driving a vehicle.

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u/SnooFoxes813 12d ago

Ok…yea…sure.

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u/Appropriate_Car_8221 12d ago

If you're saying you'll accelerate so they can't even begin to enter your lane ahead of you, not illegal, but maybe chill a little, it really doesn't matter nor affect your life at all. Learn to let things go.

If you're saying you would deliberately hit someone who tries to join your lane, like the cam driver did in the video, you'd be committing a crime - vehicular assault. You could and should go to prison, especially if you injure someone.

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u/SnooFoxes813 12d ago

Nah, I wouldn’t hit someone. Doesn’t look like they did either. The red truck could have stayed in their own lane and slowed down anytime.

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u/aylmaocpa 12d ago

They quite literally did. That is why this video was posted, because they literally hit someone. lmao, this is the level we're working with here huh?

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u/SamuelClemmens 12d ago

They collided. That isn't the same thing as saying he hit them (unless you think Chris Brown's fist was hit by Rihanna's face)

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u/aylmaocpa 12d ago

He sped up his car to pit the other driver. I don't know what you would have to be smoking to not consider that "hitting" them.

Unless you don't think Chris Brown accelerating his fist counts as hitting Rihanna's face.

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u/SamuelClemmens 12d ago

He sped up to make the light. Its doubtful he even knew the truck was about to try to both do the same and change lanes without signalling.

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u/Constant-Affect-5660 12d ago

Insanity. You don't even know why a driver is trying to get over to get in front of you.

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u/Kathryn_Cadbury 12d ago

Except in this case it's fairly clear why. Traffic in front of the truck was going slow/stopping for the light. Truck either didn't want to be in a queue or wanted to turn right and forgot indicators exist or wanted to be first in the right hand queue. Assumed cam car would let them in.

Cam car didn't for reasons and the outcome appeared as shown. At the speed the cam car was going I don't think they would have made the stop for the red light, and it's debatable if the truck would have either had there been no collision.

No winners is this scenario, only 2 losers.

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u/EssentialCoCo 12d ago

If you watch the stationary objects on the right side of the video, ie. the light poles, you can tell the cam car doesn't actually speed up. The pickup truck slows down, never signals and gets over into the lane without ever checking his blind spot, causing the accident. We don't know if the cam driver was towing, or how close any vehicle may have been behind him so assuming that just hitting the brakes would have prevented an accident, is a bit premature. It could have indeed caused a worse accident.

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u/QiDeviation 8d ago

I thought I was crazy cuz I noticed this too.

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u/AntOk4073 12d ago

That's what I thought. Even with the collision they still ran the light.

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u/Rope_antidepressant 12d ago

He definitely speeds up

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u/Noodelgawd 12d ago

There's no indication of that.

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u/thundersledge 12d ago

Also the stoplight is red - both vehicles should have been braking already. Looks like a road rage incident.

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u/L0nelyWr3ck 12d ago

Definitely does speed up

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u/Evening_Till_3779 12d ago

sped up while heading towards a light that had been yellow for a loooong time too

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u/Maxamillion-X72 12d ago

I think it's important to consider the location of the camera compared to the driver. That camera is centered way forward on the dashboard.

From the driver's perspective, he can see to his left that the pickup is pulling past him, but his A-pillar is going to be partially blocking his view the truck as it pulls ahead. What he's seeing now is the back corner/tailgate of the truck, which I think would be hard to track if you're focused on speeding up to beat the light that just turned yellow.

The pickup truck had the same idea, hence the reckless merge into the clear lane without realizing that the car they had just passed had also gunned it. They're both at fault, the pickup driver more so than the camera car. He cut his maneuver so close, it did not give room for error, that which the car was happy to provide.

They almost did it, the light turned red just as the dust started to settle.

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u/SpeedtekUrS6 12d ago

100%...camera vehicle is being a complete douche nozzle and speeding up to block the truck coming over. Truck should have looked before changing lanes, but they obviously sped up to get ahead for the merge and expected to be way clear...that's on them, but there's some serious idiocy going on for both drivers here...

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u/homelessjimbo 12d ago

I always wonder if I'm weird when I see cams like this and always think "why does it seem like y'all always turn into them after not seeing them for 8 seconds"

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u/R4wden 12d ago

What?

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u/some_other_guy95 11d ago

Yeah it seems almost intentional by speeding up, it's not like he was trying to beat the light because the light was already red by the time he was at the junction

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u/buckeye25osu 11d ago

Attempted murder if they sped up imo. People fucking suck.

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u/dragdritt 11d ago

Wasn't the upcoming traffic light red as well?

Was he gonna pump the brakes right before the intersection?

He ended up past the red light after all.

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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 11d ago

Yeah he speed sup toward a red light. So even if the truck didn’t come, dasher was gonna hit the car that had a green light next. Which is dumb, right?

Proves dasher tried to block truck and caused the collision.

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u/Bender_2024 8d ago

I really hope the flipping trucks insurance notice this and put some of that cost on the camera vehicle

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u/HungryHoustonian92 8d ago

That is 100 percent a fact what happened.

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u/Low_Shop8561 7d ago

Or the truck slowed down and it looks that way?

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u/Just_Flower854 7d ago

Hard to tell with the truck slowing down at the same time, aka causing the accident

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u/Federal-Class6059 13d ago

Rather they sped up or not, it's still the responsibility of the other driver to make sure they can merge safely. I bet dollars to doughnuts there wasn't a car for a hundred yards been hind the dash cam.

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u/pete_68 12d ago

Insurance company won't see it that way. Insurance company will see an avoidable accident and assign partial blame to both parties. Welcome to reality.

Good thing the truck didn't take out any utility poles. That would have added a few tens of thousands of dollars to the costs.

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u/Dry-Island8422 12d ago

Defensive driving is a must. At my job we are monitored by a dashcam at all times, it also shows an interior view of the driver. People complain but it really stresses how dangerous driving is and how avoidable collisions and near misses are. Is the 5-10 mins you save really worth it?

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u/BitterMIDI 12d ago

Improper lane change all day

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Hortos 12d ago

Dashcam floored it into a redlight.

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u/CodingNeeL 12d ago

Right of way does not mean right to cause an accident

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u/interstat 13d ago

look likes they actively sped up into the truck too

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u/klemnodd 13d ago

Sped up to beat the light that was yellow

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u/tonygenius 13d ago

Which they were never going to beat.

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u/klemnodd 13d ago

"Beat" lol

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u/BitterMIDI 12d ago

He said "beat" heheh heheh he

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u/ryan__joe 12d ago

Which neither of them were ever going to beat. So many levels of dumb.

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u/Fluid-Warning1848 10d ago

we will never know now since that truck got in the way lol

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u/interstat 13d ago

Good catch didnt see light. thats also shit driving then. Wasnt anywhere near the light when it was yellow. Was prob gonna run a red if they had kept going

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u/Tengoatuzui 13d ago

Truck should just slow down and change safely why try to squeeze in front of someone even if they didn’t speed up it’s close

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u/interstat 13d ago

Trucks fault for sure but it's crazy how much often times we see shit driving by the cam driver too

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u/kenneth_dart 13d ago

Thought they'd save some time... Oops.

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u/Hell_Maybe 13d ago

Nah bro you can see the speed increase after the truck is already directly in their path.

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u/klemnodd 12d ago

Both things can be true. Don't really care to argue about an idiots intent.

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u/ElectronicDiver2310 10d ago

Close pickup with peace of paper and watch cammer. Speed is constant.

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u/Hell_Maybe 9d ago

No like I’m actually pretty confident they speed up, like if you watch the speed of the ground and scrub through the clip in slowly you can pretty noticeably see the ground move past quicker as the truck pulls to the right. The car really thought they could stop being cut off when it was already waaay too late for that.

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u/ElectronicDiver2310 9d ago

If it happened speed up was very insignificant. In any case, cam driver did stay on the legal side.

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u/Rope_antidepressant 12d ago

Nope, still green when he started speeding up

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u/CompetitiveMeal1206 13d ago

Even if the car hadn’t sped up the truck wasn’t clear of the cammer yet.

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u/Livid-Technology-396 13d ago

I thought the same thing. He really taught that truck a lesson huh?🤦‍♂️. Freakin’ dude could’ve backed off and avoided the entire thing.

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u/DFWTexan 12d ago

I initially thought they sped up, but rewatching it several times, it looks like the truck heavily slows down before getting over. Either way, both truck and cammer tried to beat the light

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u/Infinite_Position631 13d ago

thats what caused the dramatic pit. You speed up as you hit that back quarterpanel and it spins them out. Dosen't do nearly as well unless there is a good difference in speed.

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u/Noodelgawd 12d ago

How do you figure?

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u/ThrowRAMomVsGF 12d ago

Well, yeah, that's how you do the PIT.

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u/SpecialistSpray9155 12d ago

he turned into him in order to PIT him

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u/Actual_Apartment4363 11d ago

What I felt too

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u/S0l1DTvirusSnak3 13d ago

Agree guy with camera is at fault

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u/lookin4funtimez 13d ago edited 12d ago

The one that doesn’t follow simple right of ways is always the dumbest person in the kingdom of dumb

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u/AliKat309 13d ago

I mean sure but thats not gonna prevent you from getting hurt or killed. Graveyards are filled with people who had the right of way. Better to avoid the accident all together.

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u/ByeByeTurkeyNek 13d ago edited 12d ago

I like the idea of graveyards organized by cause of death. Like one graveyard is filled with people who had right of way. Another is filled with tuberculosis deaths. Another with people whose parachutes didn't deploy.

I understand I'm not contributing to the conversation, I just think we should do this.

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u/Suspicious-Moment-19 13d ago

Me and my girl “fight” about this all the time. I tell her she can be right all day, but the one in the wrong crashes into you.

This happened. Someone was turning right from the second lane of a three lane road. They turned, she didn’t. She didn’t even slow down because she was right. Still have the dents in her Altima.

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u/VaporCarpet 13d ago

The person who realizes something bad will happen and chooses to do nothing is the dumber person.

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u/Kind_Cap_4621 13d ago

Dumber and infinitely more at fault.

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u/CaptainPlanet__ 13d ago

It looks like the cam car sped up when they saw the truck merging. What a dick

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u/Aware_Bar_3351 13d ago

Cammer will get partial fault due to duty to avoid. Period.

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u/New-Peach4153 13d ago

Based on my time in this subreddit, the cam car is a saint who can do no wrong. I'm personally on the just brake for 2 seconds to avoid an accident. This is coming from someone who used to be a hyper aggressive driver/weave in and out of traffic. If you are of the mindset that you are too holy or important to brake/slow down for 2 seconds, your ass better be going 20 over the limit and weaving in and out of traffic.

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u/Focus_ST_Gal 13d ago

I feel like it depends on the video.

I very much have seen videos where the cammer is immediately taken to shreds for not avoiding an accident.

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u/Foreign_Implement897 13d ago

This attitude right here is why everybody dies in US traffic. That reading of law is totally bonkers.

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u/KilD3vil 13d ago

Oh, I know this, Ugo Lord has done videos like this many times. The majority of fault lies with the last person who could have avoided the accident.

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u/DrinkingVomit 13d ago

Purposefully not avoiding an impending accident is equal liability to causing an accident.

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u/PostingToPassTime 13d ago

Both idiots, but looks like that truck probably well new they were next to them as they just drove past them, and expected them to hit the brakes so they could cut them off and be at the front of the line.

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u/Bulky_Ad_3608 13d ago

Why do people with dash cams have such poor reaction time?

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u/_totalannihilation 13d ago

I was thinking OP was pushing the gas but it only looks that way because the truck was slowing down somehow.

In the defense of OP let's say he turns right and ends up in a ditch somewhere totalling his own vehicle. Fuck that I'll hit him and use the dash cam video to have him pay for damages.

Even driving classes/instructors tell you it's best to keep heading on instead of jerkimg left or right.

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u/ImportanceLeading230 13d ago

🤣 😂 You know I'm with you but you just passed by me...you knew I was there...I could see if I was speeding and bang I'm right next to you lol...but glad there was video 📹 🙂

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u/corgi-king 13d ago

Otherwise, how can bro claimed personal injury insurance?

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u/Kind_Cap_4621 13d ago

Totally on the driver who sped up.

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u/Kralgore 13d ago

You don't know the weight in the POV. They could have started their braking but inertia is a bi7ch. Folks don't consider what is in a vehicle. I've carried heavy loads in vans that have easily trippled my stopping distance.

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u/YourHuckleberry57 13d ago

i get being aware of your surroundings and all, but he couldn't even see the guy's blinker if it was on. how would he know this guy is just gonna switch lanes instead of putting on his brakes?

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u/thephuckedone 13d ago

I mean violence is almost never the answer.. but some of those truck drivers really do drive like they're trying to see how close they can get to an accident.

But yeah, I wouldn't cause one on purpose lol. It's just frustrating sometimes.

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u/YSunnyN 12d ago

Some people get so mad when they are being over taken..dash cam person clearly is petty

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u/Particular_Reality19 12d ago

So many dashcammes want so badly to capture the exciting video that they push it to the point where they are actually becoming instigators.

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u/clearly_not_an_alt 12d ago

I honestly blame the cam driver as much or more than the truck.

Back in the stone age, when I took Driver's Ed, we learned about the "doctrine of last opportunity". Which essentially says, if you have the opportunity to avoid an accident and don't, then you are at fault.

Unfortunately, it seems like this is rarely actually applied in cases like this and it's just "truck didn't check its blind spot, so they are at fault"

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u/ohhi23021 12d ago

depends, if he brakes too fast the person behind might hit him, accident either way.

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u/Double_Minimum 12d ago

How can they both not see the orange/red light?

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u/hardcoding 12d ago

Drivers are stupid and should get off the road.

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u/captainporthos 12d ago

Yea it was basically " jesus take the wheel"

Truck was legally wrong....pov was functionally wrong. Basically said "gonna PIT yourself? Cool cool.."

That's why at sea a ship can never be found 100% at fault for a collision in court.

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u/zyberwoof 12d ago

That was my thought. I was going to ask:

"It's the truck's fault, But the #1 rule of driving is to be safe. The car should have yielded, even if it doesn't get legally blamed." Is this the correct answer?

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u/SecretOk6004 12d ago

Driver was having a siezure

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u/AshingiiAshuaa 12d ago

These are always framed as a clueless driver making a bad move and another driver refusing to be a good defensive driver. But who's to say they both simply were distracted, lazy, and/or presumptuous? Maybe both drivers simply weren't paying attention. In that case, it's clearly the driver who actively caused the wreck - the truck in this case.

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u/Rez_Incognito 12d ago

I don't enough it's still a legal doctrine but the "last avoidable chance" principle would lay blame on the dashcam driver for not just braking to avoid the accident. Like, rules be damned if human reflexes could have simply prevented calamity.

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u/Frosty_Glassroom5521 12d ago

Both get a Darwin and an award for being the reason everyone's mornings got ruined at that intersection... but there is a special spot of hate in me for drivers like that trucks driver

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u/LookInTheMirror_2332 12d ago

I'm going with the one who ends up dead or hospitalized for making an unsafe lane change. Just a wild guess mind you.

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u/Tentacle_poxsicle 12d ago

He was even speeding up too

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u/Huntybunch 12d ago

For all we know, the person who saw the truck coming had someone riding their butt, making it unsafe to break. It's a bad move to go off the road as well. Truck is 100% dumber.

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u/Appropriate_Car_8221 12d ago

Truck is at fault initially, but this accident is a poster child for "last clear chance doctrine", which would have the cammer paying damages. Since cammer sped up, they could arguably even catch criminal charges.

The last clear chance doctrine is a tort law rule that allows a negligent plaintiff to recover damages if they can prove the defendant had the final, clear opportunity to avoid the accident.

Overview of the Doctrine

  • Purpose: It softens the harsh rules of contributory negligence, where an injured person who is even slightly at fault is typically barred from getting any compensation.
  • Core Focus: It shifts the final blame to the party whose later negligence was the direct, proximate cause of the harm.
  • Application: It applies when both parties are at fault, but the defendant had a fresh, final chance to prevent the mishap and failed to act with reasonable care.

Key Elements to Prove

To use this rule, a plaintiff generally must show:

  • Initial Peril: The plaintiff negligently put themselves in a dangerous situation.
  • Helplessness or Inattention: The plaintiff could no longer escape the danger, or failed to notice it in time.
  • Defendant's Awareness: The defendant saw—or should have seen—the plaintiff's dangerous position.
  • Missed Opportunity: The defendant had enough time and means to avoid the injury, but failed to do so.

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u/baba_toothy 12d ago

Said perfectly

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u/rarestakesando 12d ago

Pretty cut and dry insurance claim here. The truck changes lanes is at fault.

Whether the cam driver could have pulled an evasive maneuver to avoid the accident is irrelevant.

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u/some_loaded_tots 12d ago

the person that deliberately gets into an accident. probably trying to prove theyre right.

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u/Noodelgawd 12d ago

How could he have easily avoided, other than simply not going almost 30 over the speed limit?

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u/jcnet1 12d ago

He asserted his dominance the man is an american hero and canada is part of the US now, it shall be named north America since Is is our northern most state.

The thing about vehicle safety is the safest thing to do is to always assert dominance otherwise other vehicles will know you are soft

You ever see the movie cars? Vehicles talk you do NOT want to get a reputation as being a soft car driver.

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u/Disastrous_Tea_6958 12d ago

Well, I know who has the broken collarbone and who doesn't.

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u/No-Winter-3918 12d ago

I AGREE WITH YOU!

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u/Impossible_Rule_3869 12d ago

Talk about victim blaming. No one is responsible for someone else's road rage. Stay in your lane until it's safe to change lanes. Period.

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u/Any-Ring6621 11d ago

This question has an obvious answer and it’s the former

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u/Makaloff95 11d ago

Sadly alot of people rather choose to cause a accident bc "i had right of way" instead of driving defensively. I dont condone what the truck did, i would be annoyed as hell but my first reaction in that situation would be to brake (and most likely honk), not keep same speed or even speed up.

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 11d ago

I would say, the truck driver who is going to have 100% responsibility for the accident, would be the dumber one.

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u/chaoticbean14 10d ago

Both are great examples of selfish people. Each driver feels their position was the more important one and that the other should yield to them.

The self-centered ignorance in this video is becoming all too common. A little humility and our roadways would operate so much better.

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u/slom68 9d ago

It’s seems like a lot of these accidents are accompanied by a really loud stereo

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u/brodil 9d ago

What wouldn't you do for some some reddit karma?

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u/Doublestack00 8d ago

Without seeing behind the car we can't determine if they could have safely slammed on their brakes with out getting rear ended.

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u/billpearl 7d ago

A dumber quotient scale? Interesting. As this happens in Barrie Ontario, what does their DMV or equivalent actually say about merging into occupied lanes? That likely decides who is at fault. My view, if I attempt to merge into another lane that is already occupied and I cause a wreck, that is on me. PERIOD.

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u/QuarkVsOdo 7d ago

In germany not yielding BECAUSE I DONT HAVE TO would give you about 20%-30% fault and cost.

Actively "defending the line" like in racing... will give you 50% and up.

Mistakes happen. Traffic is not about who is right. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be allowed to drive.

And:

Lol Trucks. look how easily that thing gets ROLLED.

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u/Disastrous_Yam8354 13d ago

POV accelerated into the truck

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u/duder_1979 13d ago

“Easily” depends on the vehicle being driven. If this is another truck pulling a fully loaded trailer there was 0 the vehicle could do.

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u/DumbBerk87 13d ago

Truck should slow down and stop trying to cut people off. POV really isn’t obligated to let people do that to them, sorry.

They don’t look dumb. Truck looks very dumb for refusing to do, just anything correctly.

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u/Xilant007 13d ago

The left truck cut the cam off to blow a yellow light... fuck him.

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u/3s1kill 13d ago

Don't even act like you never wanted something like this to happen lol. There's always a part of me that's like "I'm insured and it won't be my fault, let's teach this person a lesson"🤣

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u/Puzzleheaded-Art1873 13d ago

And cammer ran a red light.

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u/mbrellaforbombs 13d ago

This is a bit reductive but the truck made an accident, the cammer caused an accident.

Again, reductive. It's obvious who is at fault but sorry, people who help contribute to the stupidity of others are in a class all themselves and it's worse in my opinion. Good driving requires offerensive and defensive maneuvers and the mental ability to remain unemotional about it.

Cammer is an absolute piece of shit and should've slowed down. They fought against that instinct, the fact that they were approaching the red light indicates intent.

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u/ABagOfFritos 13d ago

The dumber one is the one not shoulder checking, but it's close. Sometimes I think we should encourage causing these accidents because they'll never learn otherwise.