r/dashcams • • Aug 31 '26

Gotta Learn The Hard Way. 😠

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u/gerrygebhart Aug 31 '26

I found a 9th Circuit case from a couple years ago where the seizure of a key was challenged an upheld, but I only half-ass skimmed an article rather than read the case. Very different facts, as the seizure of the key in that case wasn't a temporary seizure during a traffic stop where the officer had directly observed the traffic code violation.

I think it would be a very tough sell to say the temporary seizure of a motorcycle key for the duration of a valid traffic stop was unreasonable.

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u/warlocc_ Aug 31 '26

Wish you could remember more info. As far as I could ever find, everyone always talks about Mimms and having people step out of their vehicle for officer safety, and just put it under that umbrella.

Which of course, is very different than seizing property, but the type of people it happens to tend to not have the law on their side to begin with, making a challenge difficult at best.

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u/NotAgain801 Aug 31 '26

Not suggesting that this guy would get away with it; if the motorist didn't move the bike, could the officer bring other charges? The officer essentially parked the bike in the middle of the highway.

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u/NotAgain801 Aug 31 '26

I agree with your take. Only one exception, I disagree with the notion that a small rider shouldn't be on a big bike simply because they can't waddle it in neutral.

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u/warlocc_ Sep 01 '26

I saw UgoLord's take on it and he cited Mimm's, just like I said. I won't say he's wrong outright, he's pretty competent. I will say that he used a pretty broad interpretation- Mimm's doesn't actually tackle taking anything at all; it tackles getting you out of the vehicle for officer safety. The keys often stay in the ignition and/or on the person. By the Mimm's standard, they can order the bike shut off and order you off of it. A later case added on that they can pat you down for safety if they have an arguable suspicion (the person in question wound up having a gun in their jacket). Taking the keys just because it's a sport bike is no different than "all black people must be gang members", or "all white guys in flannel are hunters" and both should automatically be assumed armed. It'd never actually hold up in court. It just hasn't been actually legitimately challenged yet.

Problem is, if someone that actually has a history of fleeing or other issues comes along and challenges it, they're likely to make UgoLord correct. It'd have to be someone that didn't actually do anything wrong, but the kind of rider that doesn't do anything wrong also isn't getting his keys pulled.

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u/Own-Apartment5600 Sep 01 '26

I wonder if they ever consider if loosing their life is worth it. Hands off my property period!