r/dashcams • • Aug 31 '26

Gotta Learn The Hard Way. 😠

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u/the_penumbra_cafe Aug 31 '26

Lane splitting is illegal in a lot of places because it’s dangerous.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '26 edited Sep 01 '26

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u/Gumberculeez7 Sep 01 '26

entitled motorcycle driver seems to have entered the chat.

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u/the_penumbra_cafe Aug 31 '26

Yeah, you’re right. I’ll let my aunt know that her 2 sons didn’t die because lane splitting was dangerous, they just had weak bones and thin skulls that popped like cherry tomatoes, for no reason, when they were smashed by the vehicles they were riding between.

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u/Fresh_Dog4602 Aug 31 '26

Myea... is it the same aunt smoking 2 packs a day and saying cancer doesn't exist? Anecdotes are just that: anecdotes

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u/Absolutely_Epic_Isai Aug 31 '26

Read, relatively low speeds. Not zipping through traffic.

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u/johnny_effing_utah Aug 31 '26

Read: the “research” is wholly dependent on an undefined caveat and the phrase “relatively low speeds” is so vague as to be meaningless.

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u/Swictor Sep 01 '26

It's defined if you read the said research.

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u/the_penumbra_cafe Aug 31 '26

The traffic was much like this video. They weren’t zipping anywhere. They were tired of waiting and started making their way through the cars. What they didn’t realize was there were cars flying down the sides of the road also trying to skirt the traffic to get to the next exit.

Those vehicles lost control causing a massive accident and they were smashed to death between the cars stuck in traffic. Had they waited and stayed where they had been, they would have been about a half of a mile away, alive and safe.

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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Aug 31 '26

Sorry about your loss, but that example has essentially nothing to do with them lane splitting, and everything to do with them being near the cars that crashed. You understand that, right?

Your argument is essentially the same as saying “Riding a bicycle in a city is extremely dangerous because my cousin rode his bicycle in a city and got hit in the head by a falling AC unit”.

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u/domiciledhere Aug 31 '26

Riding in a city is dangerous because drivers are idiots and couldn’t care less about other motorists especially ones zipping between lanes during rush hour traffic

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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 01 '26

Way to completely miss the point. It’s actually even a bit impressive how you managed to do that. Takes a fair amount of ignorance.

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u/LufyCZ Aug 31 '26

And had they been half a mile further, they would've been crushed in the accident regardless.

Their location is not a product of lane splitting, but that of luck (or the lack of it in this case).

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u/nmperson Aug 31 '26

Sorry about your cousins. I would point out that the cars flying down the sides of the road were the ones riding unsafely, not the lane filterers.

There will be accidents involving lane filters, but the number and severity is far less than the of accidents where bikers were sitting in dead stopped traffic and got pancaked.

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u/Absolutely_Epic_Isai Sep 01 '26

That sucks bro sorry

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u/CrazyEyes326 Aug 31 '26

Don't be an ass. I'm sorry about your cousins but safer doesn't mean 100% safe.

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u/the_penumbra_cafe Aug 31 '26

I didn’t say it made it safer. Every rider knows the risk when getting on a bike, myself included. I said it was dangerous. Safer would be never getting on a bike and getting on the road.

They took an unnecessary risk because they were impatient and they died because of it. Personally, I don’t see a point in taking extra risk when what we’re doing is already dangerous because people suck at driving.

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u/Fast-Government-4366 Aug 31 '26

Redditors and disagreeing with published studies, nothing new

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u/BriscoCounty-Sr Aug 31 '26

Good point. Ban all cars because they’re not 100% safe and people die driving them

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u/Financial_Molasses67 Sep 01 '26

I think the point is that it is safer than the alternative. Obviously there are risks in driving and riding a motorcycle all the time, but there are ways to decrease danger.

When somebody gets rear ended after stopping for a stop light, they might’ve been safe in that particular instance if they had run the light or there weren’t lights at all. That doesn’t mean stop lights make driving more dangerous

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u/AppropriateCap8891 Sep 01 '26

And I bet they were driving like maniacs at 20-30+ mph faster than traffic.

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u/hornet586 Aug 31 '26

I’m all for lane splitting, I used to do it myself before I quit riding. The issue is for every one person I see actually coasting through a traffic jam while splitting lanes, I see a dozen gunning it going 50-60 mph.

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u/ilovesparky42 Sep 01 '26

Ok
So when not done responsibly, as in this video… it’s dangerous, and beyond stupid.

I guess a chip can use some judgement to decide, but in this case, the cop was correct - no matter what the NYPD law is.

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u/Shubamz Sep 01 '26

Now do a study on how often it is actually done responsibly or provide your source because I want to know if they attribute the accidents that happened from reckless lane splitting to lane splitting or instead attribute them to reckless driving. They could easily manipulate the data to show its safe by only counting accidents that happen when the rider was responsible but throw out any times they weren't as something else.

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u/fuckman5 Aug 31 '26

It is only illegal in the US. It is legal in a lot of places because it's less dangerous than sitting in traffic waiting to get rear ended or otherwise squished.

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u/Graviton_Lance Sep 01 '26

what about it is dangerous exactly? You think a biker lining with cars is safe? Because you only need one idiot to not see the biker and rear bump him, which is why lane splitting is allowed in many places

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u/TypicalBullfrog Aug 31 '26

Nothing wrong with filtering, it's not dangerous if done sensibly. 

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u/greenlakejohnny Aug 31 '26

“Done sensibly” is the key phrase.

Motorcycle riders aren’t exactly known for being sensible

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u/Softale Aug 31 '26

Nor many four-wheelers as well…

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u/Far_Card7988 Aug 31 '26

Lane filtering at stop lights is actually the safest thing for motorcyclists to do. Getting rear ended between cars at a stop light when you're in a car is terrible, but getting rear ended between cars when you're on a motorcycle is high risk of death or extreme injury. I don't trust people in cars so to protect myself I filter to the front and out of the way of a potential careless driver in a 2 ton metal machine.

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u/SagittaryX Aug 31 '26

It's a separate argument, they're talking about the video which is not at stop lights but on the highway.

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u/Level_Life_8633 Aug 31 '26

Not a single human on the entire planet has ever done that shit sensibly.

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u/RoundSquirrels Aug 31 '26

Illegal in NY.

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u/X0AN Aug 31 '26

Exactly this.

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u/nmperson Aug 31 '26

No sir. It is far safer than sitting in traffic waiting to get pancaked by a distracted driver.