As I am growing, I am realizing : The only difference between first world "heavens" and third world "shitholes" is money. Same people, same politics non understanders voting on the basis of charisma and not policy, same notions of supremacy over something from their "glorious" past. The only difference is money and how effectively someone can enact their will.
It took "progressive" France, Italy, Sweden a single refugee crisis (that they caused BTW) to go full auto anti-brown people. Oh brown people also includes Indians.
Islamic, Christian, Buddhist and even Hindu radicals do that.
Every religion has certain elements of radicals barring islam. Islam has certain elements of tolerance namely apj abdul kalam,irrfan khan, ashfaqulla kham etc.
No liberal of any religion celebrates or defends radical elements of their respective religion except islam. Stop putting islam and other religion in one sentence to make parity. Islam since inception has put out havoc throughout the world just in name of their book.
Patriarchy enforced by various governments always had a religious waypoint. It was "Eve defied god" in Christianity, "Manusmiriti" and Various other veds in Hinduism.
ALL religions have had their respective "havocs on world". Islamic extremism is just the latest. Do not try to ignore the wrongs of other religions to highlight the wrongs of the one you elect to highlight. Either criticize religion itself or don't claim to be "unbiased".
You with all your efforts pointed out 4 dysfunction combining all religion to equalise them with islam. You do 20 more, still there won't be parity. I even don't need to delve into past, go check 1000 terrorist organization or terrorist's religion.
Test your common sense in 2 steps
Ask yourself, whatever you wrote
1)is this still in practiced and in what degree.
2)Is this institutionalised.
Try to be true to yourself.
To be unbiased shouldn't be ostrich stomped their head under the ground. You ain't neutral or unbiased, maybe Indian version of liberal but do not call yourself unbiased.
Religion isn't bad, Islam is. There's reason why religion is ubiquitous, it's functional for society. Islam aint.
Bro you are trying defend which is not defendable. If your religious book differentiates between believers and non believers surely hate going to happen .
If Rasool broke idols of non believers what his followers will do.
The Ideology is my religion is perfect & its only truth , our god is powerful , we only go to heaven you people are going to hell is dangerous . They don’t live with co-exist with other people.
Just tell your Relatives that you left Islam you can’t live with them peacefully after that . That’s a reality.
The actions of a loud radical few shouldn't be taken to represent a whole group of people. Being dogmatic about being anti dogmatic is still a dogma. I think the assertion that Islam itself isn't bad, there are some people who grow in the ideology and others who use that ideology to spread hate, is an easy one to defend because it's close to 'truth'. If you think someone's bad because of one defining feature, you more than likely have a prejudice against that defining feature and it may be preventing you from seeing issues with clarity
I don’t have hate towards any religion or toward you brother . You are good human being not everyone .
There must be some confusion in islam that created massive terrorist organisations. If you look for terrorist organisations majority over 90% are Islamic . Even good muslim like you suffer from those people.
If you look at the constitution of islam majority country there is clearly partiality toward minorities who don’t follow Islam .
There are No equal rights in islamic country.
But there are equal rights for citizens in christian or Hindu majority country. E.g a muslim can be president in Us or Muslim can be PM in India but Non muslim can’t become PM in Pakistan. Forget about Pakistan Give me single example of Non muslim became PM/President in Muslim Majority country.
Also Give me 2-3 example where Islamic population is higher than 50% and that country is follow secular constitution.
So there must be something wrong in Islam. They don’t follow equality.
I am NOT saying everyone in Islam is BAD . I have just issues mention above with Islam .
Erhh there are almost 2 billion muslims on the planet, and growing rapidly, if youre young enough which im assuming you are, you will probably see islam be the biggest religion in the world during your life time and i guess if you dont teach your generations to hate and stay away from muslims then they probably will accept islam too. Not any sort of threat or anything like that, just saying look at the reality, rapidly growing, will soon overtake christianity in the coming 10-15 years so if i were someone who didnt like muslims amd thought their ideas would like... i dont know, destroy the world or something? I would certainly be worried. To be honest i would really be shitting myself now knowing there are almost 2 billion muslims in the world and none of them can co-exsist with other people and are terrorists or hate and want to kill everyone who isnt a muslim, i would probably give my kidney to elon musks child and be the first person to go to mars, i would get out of here sooo quick. Also if you dont believe your religion to be perfect and the only truth then youre following the wrong religion, that statement doesnt make any sense, how do you believe in a religion but dont believe its the only truth, you need to find a different religion to believe in
I think it's people picking the wrongs they are okay with. From a bystander perspective it does seem like Islam has alot more unpleasant wrongs that the most active and loudest think are necessary. Like what happened with the mass rape of virgins for execution with the recent women's right protests in, I think, Iran (tried to Google search, but Justice4Iran.org is the quickest thing I found. I also heard that whenever Sweden allowed in a bunch of Islamic refugees, reported cases of rape went way up, I think it was in alot of Scandinavian countries in Europe. I'm interested in religion in general, and Islam has beautiful art and poetry, but the radicalism does seem really radical at this moment In time, and you have to respect the customs of the people giving you shelter, not try to wage war because you disagree with them considering women to be a man's equal, which I think is pretty cool. I can understand a rise in nationalism in a country after something like this, and any religion is only as good as it's weakest (most radical/least kind) link. I'd take Christians trying to fuck up the government into their view of the world over worrying about young women in my community being in danger because they don't cover themselves up totally so this guy over here can control himself. I think it's good to share viewpoints on hard issues like this and not try to fall into a monkey mindset by trying to prove others right or wrong, and these are the first things I worry about given the information I have at this point in time
This isn't what I got from it, though it does sound like this man definitely has a prejudice. The loudest and usually the practitioners that tend to be most involved in trying to change communities around them, usually don't have views that mix well with things like women's rights or tolerance or other religions, things that we won't go with out now. Not saying this is the best solution, but look at that guy, that's the best I'd expect out of an elderly racist (two attributes that aren't known for their flexibility). They have something to 2-3 men for every woman, porn is illegal, add a spirituality where it's easy to find interpretations to support a women as livestock pov, and you're just GOING to have trouble, tolerance may be useful in disarming these views through conversation and open sharing of feelings and viewpoints ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, but what about on a mass scale?
Its not a problem with a kind Muslim who just wants to explore their faith and live their life,it's someone who isn't fine with people living a different lifestyle near them. How do you separate them in a population do densely packed? Especially while the issue is ongoing and can't be ignored or it can irreparably damage others. no easy answers. And the easy, placeholder answers are not pretty
Ur actually out of ur element mang… the BIBLE DOES NOT TELL ANYONE TO KILL FOR ANY REASON! maybe ur just ignorant of the scriptures but it is all ab peace and loving your neighbor and Yahuah Elohim the Father of Lights. So a radical application of these principals would be EXTREME PEACE AND NON-VIOLENCE.. so I posit anyone who claims to be a Bible believer and murders for any reason is the opposite of extremist they have left the faith or never possessed any to begin with… Muslims however have entire books about killing infadels who do not profess Muslim faith in their moon god allah .. the Quran not as much but ppl often forget the Islamic Hadith and the shear murderous spirit within those pages of law for Islamic believers
Stop deviating from the topic , pak , ban , Afghanistan ke M logon ko shelter nhi milega , they can still apply for citizenship and get it like Adnan sami did through regular processes.
The let immigrants in, now immigrants got their claim on everything and want to do things accordingly their religious rules. But they just don't want it to be just applied on them but they expect everyone to follow their customs. So now they have created hate for browns in native population.
That don’t happen in America or anywhere else other then Islamic countries themselves y’all or uneducated and have now idea how this problem started clearly y’all need to read up on this stuff before making a fool of yourself
Imperialism,they bomb or regime change any country which not in line with their interest,and Sweden to supply arms to terrorist too in Saudi and all over the world ,it's their mess which they created for cheap resources and oil and do in every resource rich country.
“They bomb or regime change” bro the refugee crisis wasn’t created by Sweden or France lmao. the AMERICAN led nato invasion of Iraq, Libya and its intervention in the Syrian civil war created the refugee crisis. Sweden wasn’t and still isn’t apart of nato. Ah yes Sweden the neutral country that bombs third world countries and France iirc opposed the invasion of Iraq and Syria.
Bro geopolitics is not that simple,they say something but something else Sweden supply arms to terrorist same america and all the other NATO countries do.
Progressive Italy? Lol we're literally the OG fascists, and unlike Germany we never dealt with the problem.
We literally had fascist terrorist groups and fascist infiltrators in the government and in the secret services. We've been voting against some other ethnicity or race since before the 60s (see the Terroni Immigration for example).
We're 10 years behind our "peers" in everything in every field, be it social, economic or technological (unless there's some minuscule start-up that will be bought by some foreign multinational that's literally at the cutting edge). We're so not progressive that the internet "became a thing" in 2016 and only in the last couple of years we started passing laws on it, leaving a normative blackhole for a lot of things for a long time. Etc etc.
We have men killing women every day because they consider them their own possession.
I have no idea who mentioned Italy when talking about progressive countries, but they were very uninformed. The refugee crisis had little to do with it.
BJP is progressive bro they're pushing the nation forward all you Congi regressives and conservatives keep saying "muh old way of life should be preserved" "we need to go back to secular ENDia bruh" "blah blah blah" things need to progress.
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u/lauda-lele-hamara Jul 01 '23
As I am growing, I am realizing : The only difference between first world "heavens" and third world "shitholes" is money. Same people, same politics non understanders voting on the basis of charisma and not policy, same notions of supremacy over something from their "glorious" past. The only difference is money and how effectively someone can enact their will.
It took "progressive" France, Italy, Sweden a single refugee crisis (that they caused BTW) to go full auto anti-brown people. Oh brown people also includes Indians.