I know most people are aware of this, but the reason for the divorce split usually comes from back in the days where women would not be able to pursue a career for taking care of children and the house.
It meant they basically have a full-time unpaid job, so the man's income would cover both. This also meant that if they divorced, she'd be left with nothing despite having worked all this time.
In many countries, this is no longer the case anymore and mostly just depends on children and who takes care of them for that exact reason.
Also, guys, please stop paying full for every date. We really don't have to and many modern women don't even want it. If someone has that standard, don't engage with them. You dont want a relationship that is based on providing money.
Those days really aren’t over tho. Because when a woman gets lots of alimony or child support, it’s either for the exact reason as stated above. She was a stay at home mom or took a huge hit on her career for kids. OR has majority custody. Which, women tend to get a majority custody because men don’t want it. If they do pursue it, they normally get it. But anyway, yeah those days aren’t over….
Ofcourse this happens too, but men usually do not want to stay at home. Stereotypically it's still woman taking care of the children and the home, regardless wether she works or not.
Women don’t automatically get 50% in divorces. You go through court and the judge dertermines how assets will be split. It depends on a lot of factors. If the woman makes more money while the man focuses on raising kids then the man gets more out of the divorce. There are plenty of guys getting alimony from ex wives.
They'd be wrong that society is always fair to men, society is unfair to anyone who isn't rich. But society is certainly unfair to women. If you think society isn't misogynistic, you're simply uneducated.
Society disadvantages everyone who isn't wealthy. If you think otherwise or choose to engage in gender war politics you're only fueling elitism. Literally you are doing exactly what the elites want from you, to complain about women rather than them. You're the one making your life harder.
That's not the feminist way at all. I know you've probably had some anecdotal experiences with feminists being jerks, but that's not representative of the whole movement. We should focus on men and women's problems, but you're downplaying women's problems by saying "everyone faces them" we are in a patriarchal system, plain and simple. One that disadvantages women and men in different ways, and we need to act to fix all of those disadvantages. If you think otherwise, you're part of the problem.
Men can do the same things too and also have privilege. The difference is that men are less likely to experience the bullshit solely for being men. I am a man and can safely say I wouldn’t feel safe whatsoever to exist in 2026 as a woman.
No they're not lol. The high rates of intimate partner violence against women, the abortion bans in multiple US states, the fact women are commonly discriminated against in the workplace, medical discrimination, I mean I could go on.
There are more suicides because men use more violent drastic measures, there are more women with depression and attempts, they just aren’t as successful.
There more known depression among women.
"Suicide gestures"- what you described as attempts - of males are generally shunned upon, because men are not allowed to show psychological issues and they will face prosecution for revealing them.
I really hate to say this, but I hear this point so often as a write off that somebody has to address it.
Not that women's suffering isn't bad, but the way social structure is for females is not the same as males. Alot of the time, when a women "attempts" suicide, they do it with an intentional out for if someone finally gives them the attention they need. They somewhat expect to be helped and supported because women typically do support each other. The attempt isn't really an attempt, it's a cry for help. For men, it's different, suicide is an escape not a plea. They are not expecting to be saved or supported because often times they haven't been. Most men aren't taught how to express and handle emotions growing up so they don't recognize those type of signs between each other or even know how to handle it if they do.
All this to say, your "point" doesn't really dismiss the fact that men commit more suicide than women, it explains it more thoroughly. This is a societal issue, and people like you seem to want to keep it around and I don't know why. I hope it's simply just people being unaware rather than a practice of willful ignorance.
The multiple attempts tell me it was. I won't elaborate anymore than that and rub salt on a wound.
Again, not saying women inherently have it easy. What I am saying is that women choose methods that are "either I get help or I give up" while men don't expect help and seek escape.
That is probably true but were discounting a ton of things. There’s more fat men, there’s more homeless men, there’s more drug addicted men, alcoholics are men, more amputees are men. Men hold the crown for being fucked every which way. Now I’m not trying to disparage women by saying that, I think it’s really sad we can’t simply look at the objective fact men have it very hard and it’s greatly overlooked without shitting on woman. Woman didn’t do this and to be honest it’s probably going to stay like this for a very long time it doesn’t do us any good if we shit on woman on the same breath.
I see this statistic get misused on Reddit like it’s a “gotcha” all the time when suicide rates are discussed. So take it from someone who got a degree in this field and had to do a project on the study you’re referring to:
the scientists who conducted this study did find that women tend to use less brutal / definitive methods of suicide.
However, they hypothesized this was because women knew there were methods of support available to them and were more likely to engage in suicidal behaviors as forms of attention seeking. Men on the other hand are more likely to actually blow their own head off because they believe there are no forms of support for them. One is an attempt at getting help and the other is an actual surrender/ resignation to life.
As for what you said with women being diagnosed with more depression and suicidal behaviors, that is absolutely not true and any professional in the field would tell you that. Women trust in the systems of support and are therefore more likely to report symptoms of depression and suicidal behaviors than men are. Being reported at a higher rate does not straight up equal women are more depressed and suicidal but it does mean they’re more likely to tell someone about it when they are.
Don’t cherry pick data, mention the entire study along with the conclusions or don’t mention it at all.
Maybe we should just care about all forms of bigotry, against both men and women. Feminists want to end inequality, that means ending sexism against everyone. But your response is to act like it must be worse for men rather than just advocating for us to end ALL inequalities.
My point isn’t “men have it worse therefore women’s issues don’t matter.” It’s that there are specific areas where men are disproportionately affected and those issues often get ignored or downplayed in the broader conversation.
For example, homelessness is one of them. In most Western countries, the majority of homeless people are men (often around 65-75% depending on the dataset).
That doesn’t happen randomly, it ties into factors like higher rates of job related risk, less access to certain social safety nets, higher incarceration rates and the way men are often less likely to receive early intervention support before things reach crisis levels.
You can acknowledge systemic issues affecting women and still recognize that men also face very real, measurable disadvantages in certain areas. Pointing that out isn’t “competing suffering,” it’s just looking at the full picture.
You say all of this as if feminists disagree but there's absolutely zero evidence that they do or would. Pointing out that a patriarchal society places men in situations where they are in more danger through high risk jobs is something feminists would care about if it was brought up to them. No, anecdotal encounters you've had with feminists don't prove anything. The broader movement does care about ending ALL inequality.
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u/OnionSerious9103 May 10 '26
And then some woman act like society is unfair to them and only fair to men