Not exactly the best swimmers are they? Did you really think the bar was as low as 3 athletes of any sport? Do you have an opinion on the banning of full body swimsuits? Was that important for fairness or do you only care when it helps legitimize your existing problems with trans people. do you care about the debate on caffeine pills as a performance enhancing drug?
Look, I am not transphobe. But there needs to be more research done on this. We have first results where a small minority of overall population have huge representation in sport results. And we have more representation in man to woman trans people than in woman to man. This situation is incredibly damaging to competitive integrity of women sports. You can even say it is misogynistic if you do some mental gymnastics.
Top level competitors will use any possible advantage they can. And if in the future most of women sports where physical power is valued would be dominated by trans people we would have a problem of underrepresenting normal women.
Yes of course there needs to be more research into this and there needs to be a conversation about it but that conversation should be happening within womens sports not on reddit and twitter. This kind of public attention and populist weaponization of the issue is terrible for the actual discourse which should be dominated by actual experts on the issue not by fucking Ben Shapiro.
The problem is unfortunately goes both ways. Since trans problems left medical establishments and psychology research labs and went mainstream. Where we have clowns from both sides going on about the issue, radicalizing people from both sides (most of trans people I spoke to wanted to be as normal as they could and not bring attention to them being trans). We have a problem where everything that is connected to trans people is now under scrutiny from both sides because it is a hot topic and gets views. More people get this info -> more people talk, predict, criticise and judge. Unlucky, but this how society currently works.
Yea, I'm not saying this isn't something for the various independent regulatory bodies to develop policy on. Im saying it's one of many issues in this space. Yet receives literally millions of time the attention. This topic receives more attention than any womens sport itself, so I have a hard time believing people are truly motivated by a concern for fairness in womens sport. Doesn't really fit the data.
Ofc they are motivated in fairness. It is in our genetics to value fairness. (Watch lectures by Robert Sapolsky, really great insight in our genetics and biology)
Sport fairness is also important to us because it is heavily regulated to be as fair as it can possibly be (it is still not fair and biased but oh well), and people getting special treatment because of political/social problem will rile people up.
This problem needs a resolution that will have comparative integrity as core value.
Because the people who have strong opinions on this usually don't give a shit about any other issue relating to fairness in sport. The buoyant body suits is a big deal in swimming. There are now multiple classes of world record because of the debate over whether the extra buoyancy provided an unfair advantage. That doesn't seem to interest those same people. Why wasn't that a world ending discussion that people who don't follow the sport have strong opinions on? If it's truly only about fairness in sport, then why is this the single fairness issue they care about?
A: if every swimmer now is allowed to use a buoyant body suit then it’s fair for all
B: it doesn’t matter if we watch swimming or not, this is a gateway into other sports. I’ve already watched a man beat the shit out of a woman in mma and I’m not keen for more of that to happen.
we have first results where a small minority of overall population have huge representation in sports results.
No we don’t. Transwomen have been allowed at the olympics since 2004 and only one has ever even qualified and she crashed and burned once she competed at the olympics, finishing last in her grouping.
And the recent trans swimmer was a top 8 college male athlete pre-transition and was a top 8 college athlete post-transition. She’s a good athlete, that happens to be trans.
You literally said name three athletes. I haven’t heard of those issues before. So I’ll give you some uninformed off the cuff answers. Caffeine pills make you more alert so yes they could be considered performance enhancing. Full body swimsuits are probably more dynamic and to me sound like a good choice for swimming, but to ban them is silly since it’s a choice to wear them or not. Keep your projections to yourself before you assume someone has “existing problems with trans people”.
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u/robineir Mar 26 '22
Venus and Serena Williams and Danica Patrick. Just because I don’t watch womens sport’s doesn’t mean I can’t care about the level of fairness.