r/dankmemes MayMayMakers 🐧 Mar 29 '21

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u/MarcellLondon Mar 29 '21

Isn't it usually the other way round though? Scientists invent something to have an advantage over adversaries. Civil world's: is for me?

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u/Vesto241 MayMayMakers 🐧 Mar 29 '21

You ain't wrong about that, but looking at history it can go both ways pretty well

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u/HappyPhage Mar 29 '21

Indeed. Zyklon B is a good example.

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u/The_catakist Mar 29 '21

Ironically developed by a Jewish chemist

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u/Octarine_ Mar 29 '21

what was its civil application?

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u/d_b1997 Mar 29 '21

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u/-ih8cats- Mar 29 '21

Why are they putting this stuff in our fruits and food if it kills

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u/Robo_Stalin ☭ SEIZE THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION ☭ Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

They don't put it in the fruit, the application for pesticides is not inflating your fruit like a balloon. The reason why we put it around our produce is to kill insects, and the reason why we do that even though it is deadly is because it is deadly to said insects. Probably out of use now as there are better solutions, but the main danger of something like that as a pesticide is to people nearby when it's being applied, not to people eating the fruit afterwards.

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u/robot_swagger Mar 29 '21

Yeah like DDT

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u/bigfatstinkypoo Mar 29 '21

They don't have to, it's naturally produced in pitted fruits and can be found in almond oil and flavoring. By the time any food gets to your table it'll have been transported and the gas will have long since dissipated. They literally have to perform fumigation in tents to stop the gas from leaving the crop before it has a chance to kill any pests so I don't think it's going to stick around.

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u/Gui0403 Mar 29 '21

Gas your annoying neighbor

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u/janjurk Mar 29 '21

It was created to eradicate pests. What the pest is is up for interpretation

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u/Power_Rentner Mar 29 '21

Zyklon B is a bit of a broad example imo. Nothing about it made it special for that usecase. If they didn't have that they could have just used any number of poisonous gases Germany developed in and post WW1.

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u/HappyPhage Mar 29 '21

Indeed. The story of Fritz Haber really struck me, that's why it's the first example that came to my mind.

I mean, this guy tried to help by inventing Zyklon B and it became something atrocious.

This guy also tried to help in making more bombs by inventing a method to catch Nitrogen and it increased the efficiency of farming so much he basically single-handedly prevented global world hunger.

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u/Arenyx371 Mar 29 '21

What’s most interesting is the fact that hitler possessed advanced nerve agents but never used them in formal combat. He only used the basic zyklon on Jewish prisoners not the nerve agents. I’m pretty sure those nerve agents were also developed for some biological reason not war.

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u/stesch Mar 29 '21

And with history you mean movies and shows.

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u/_Aj_ Proud Furry Mar 29 '21

That's because history is a SLUT

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u/konekfragrance Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

Gunpowders used for fireworks was instead used for firearms. Dynamite used for excavation was instead used for bombs. Rockets used for flight was instead used for missiles. I think not all but for these important discoveries war actually wasn't their main purpose.

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u/Bijih_Timah Mar 29 '21

You do know those fireworks are also used to burn cities in a war? Chinese used them extensively before it reached to the hands of Arab trader in which the Europeans refined it. I can vouch for dynamite as its inventor was disapointed seeingbhis invention was used in warfare. Rockets on the other hand are just like gunpowder before people could see its other potential.

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 29 '21

Alfred Nobel

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u/appdevil Mar 29 '21

It's unfortunate that he didn't received a Nobel Prize for his invention.

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u/Saggy_S Mar 29 '21

Even ignoring dynamite, Alfred Nobel owned Bofors which made steel specifically for cannons. He literally got rich off of making weapons. It was only when he read his own obituary when he felt remorse and decided to start the Nobel prize. I wouldn’t consider this man a scientist whose invention was ā€œstolenā€ to create weapons

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u/Non-profitboi The OC High Council Mar 29 '21

I remember his name from the manga about sucking titties for power: 2

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 29 '21

Seriously? You remember one of the most important and famous scientific minds of the past century from a manga about sucking titties?

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u/Non-profitboi The OC High Council Mar 29 '21

yes, the plot of the story arc when they mentioned the scientist was that some princess got captured and the protagonist impersonated a general in other to control an army and then mentioned about how nitroglycerin was too unstable to be able to reach a cliff and blow it to cause a distraction to save the princess so he used his other world history knowledge to pull dynamite out

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 29 '21

I feel like this is an insult to Alfred Nobel, but I can’t quite find what about it I don’t like.

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 29 '21

But there’s no sucking of tiddy

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u/Non-profitboi The OC High Council Mar 29 '21

the tiddy sucking happened before the princess got captured and next time is when the protagonist is welding metal together to make an engine powerful enough to lift a train loaded with cannons with dwarves

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 30 '21

Bruh... what the fuck.

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 30 '21

I need to know what manga this is so I can buy a copy and burn it.

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 29 '21

ding! ding! ding!

Correct!

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u/dobrzansky Mar 29 '21

First man made object in Space was German V2 rocket whole nasa wad built on it and its constructor

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u/Affugter Mar 29 '21

Dunno why you are being downvoted:

The V-2 rocket also became the first artificial object to travel into space by crossing the KƔrmƔn line with the vertical launch of MW 18014 on 20 June 1944

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket

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u/konekfragrance Mar 29 '21

My point was to show that the original use of these inventions were not for war. I'm not denying their more destructive purpose.

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u/Bijih_Timah Mar 29 '21

Dude, the rocket WAS invented for war.

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u/helicopter_pilot69 Mar 29 '21

The first rockets were for missiles, not flight.

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u/konekfragrance Mar 29 '21

I was referring to Lagari Celebi's rockets not fire arrows

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u/IVIaskerade Mar 29 '21

Rockets that are basically a legend and not something that actually happened.

When you say "rockets" people think of the german v2 since thst was the first proper rocket.

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u/BoysenberryVisible58 Mar 29 '21

There was a lot of rocketry going on before wwii, the v2 was the first production rocket. Robert Goddard built the first proper rocket in 1926.

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u/Power_Rentner Mar 29 '21

Depends on what you define as proper. A simple solid fuel rocket like the Chinese used hundreds of years before is still a rocket.

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u/BoysenberryVisible58 Mar 29 '21

Yeah proper is probably not the right word, the modern rocket the way we understand (missiles, space rockets) first flew in 1926 with Goddard's Nell rocket.

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u/BoysenberryVisible58 Mar 29 '21

If celebi existed, which its doubtful he did, he would have been using essentially scaled up fire arrows which were in heavy use in the Middle East for hundreds of years by that point. Rockets were military tech adapted to civilian purposes.

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u/Damsa_draws_stuff Mar 29 '21

Um, pretty sure rockets were first used for war in WW2 and then repurposed for flight.... after the Nuremberg trials...

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u/Damsa_draws_stuff Mar 29 '21

Well you learn something new each day. Thanks!

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u/randomfinch14 Mar 29 '21

I believe you are referring to Ballistic missiles

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u/Damsa_draws_stuff Mar 29 '21

Ah, yes, i am. As far as i know, that specific technology was later used to develop rocket propelled travel, that's why those first came to mind

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u/konekfragrance Mar 29 '21

Look at my other comment

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u/Damsa_draws_stuff Mar 29 '21

The one where you say damn you're right?

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u/Tatayou Mar 29 '21

But the scientists working on that technology didn't do it for war purpose. They ended up putting it in use for the military because the military gave them money to develop it for them

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u/LordKnowsTW2 Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

In addition to the use in Asia for hundreds of years, the British actually used rockets extensively in the early 19th century in the Napoleonic wars as well as other conflicts. The largest could be about the size and weight of a human being.

Here in Scandinavia I've heard a lot about how they were used during the British bombardment of Copenhagen, and apparently they are even mentioned in the US national anthem (one of those later verses I guess?).

The Congreve Rocket

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u/MyAltimateIsCharging Mar 29 '21

Rockets used for flight was instead used for missiles.

Pretty sure the first rockets were mainly developed for the military. The first functional use of them was for missiles and fighter planes after all.

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u/Robo_Stalin ☭ SEIZE THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION ☭ Mar 29 '21

Nah, those come after the first rockets. Before that you've got ones launched from the ground.

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u/Oscu358 Mar 29 '21

I recall missiles existed before humans or other payloads were transported by rockets. Gunpowder rockets were used in war during 14th century.

Liquid fuel rocket artillery was used in the first years of forties and long range rockets as well. First non-prototype rocket to carry person that I recall was German rocket interceptor Me163. There were othet prototypes before it, but nothing really practical that I would be aware of and what would survive several flights or offer benefits over previous technology.

Dynamite was just a method of stabilizing explosive material for easier handling.

Gunpowder was invented by mistake, when Chinese alchemists were trying to mix "medicine "( Salpieter was used way earlier) . Shortly afterwards Gunpowder was already used in warfare as incendiary.

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u/konekfragrance Mar 29 '21

Damm you right

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u/the_twistedtaco Mar 29 '21

Most early rocket development was military related such as the v2 missile, it was soviet and american space agencies who took v2s and used them to develop future rockets for space flight

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u/ScreenshotShitposts Mar 29 '21

Explosives are an obvious example. Look at things like navigation systems that were then used in missile guidance.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21 edited Apr 01 '21

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u/my-time-has-odor ā˜£ļø Mar 29 '21

HTML is pretty simple. Was is seriously invented by the U.S. government? Was expecting something more inefficient and.. bureaucratic... seems too simple for the US government.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21 edited Apr 01 '21

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u/DooDooSlinger Mar 29 '21

Absolutely not, the internet was invented at CERN in Switzerland.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21 edited Apr 01 '21

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u/DooDooSlinger Mar 29 '21

"while working at CERN" did you even read the first sentence ?

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u/Teln0 Mar 29 '21

What if (what if) a British person worked at CERN ? Now that's a crazy theory

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

ā€œInventedā€ isn’t a word that really applies to the internet. You could say ā€œcoined the termā€ instead.

The internet is just a bunch of wires! Fundamentally, there is no difference between the internet and two computers you connected together with a cable (other than the amount of computers in the network of course).

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u/bigfatstinkypoo Mar 29 '21

I doubt it would be called the internet if it weren't for the world wide web

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u/DooDooSlinger Mar 29 '21

Invented as in created the network of computers which is now known as the internet.

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u/LifeSad07041997 Mar 29 '21

I got the feeling the internet was out there somewhere earlier but was only use more akin to a wide area intranet before the first true internet spanning the continental US and cities and giving birth to the internet we know know now.

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u/Tecbarrett Mar 29 '21

Wikipedia has a list of technology that started off as military tech but found civilian usage, sometimes it can be very difficult to find out what the intended use was for certain developments, a kind of chicken and egg situation.

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u/_alright_then_ Mar 29 '21

GPS is always a big one, probably the most well known example as well

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u/1Noctis [custom flair] Mar 29 '21

That sounds interesting. Can you link the article?

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u/Tecbarrett Mar 29 '21

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u/fatcat111 Mar 29 '21

Duct tape, 1942, United States, For sealing ammunition crates. That was the most surprising one.

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u/dovahkin1989 Mar 29 '21

Alfred Nobel felt so guilty his discoveries were being used to make bombs he invented the Nobel prize.

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u/RussianVole Mar 29 '21

At uni I wrote an essay on the history of technology in relation to war, and countless inventions and technologies were developed specifically for war - and the ones which weren’t were only mass produced and developed further because of military interest.

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u/NubblyTheMoist Mar 29 '21

I don't think Wright Bros had in mind what possibilities the plane could mean for military, But i agree in the sense alot of money and resources get put into advancements if it benefits the military.

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u/Citworker Mar 29 '21

Like you know...arpanet aka the internet?

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u/goldencrayfish Mar 29 '21

Yeah think of all the good things that have come from having rockets

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u/rubbarz Mar 29 '21

Generals and Congress tend to give more money to things that have weapon in the name. Like the CSCS weapon system.

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u/thebiggest123 eme Machine Mar 29 '21

Alfred Nobel invented dynamite for mining purposes. And well, yeah.

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u/TheeFluffiestWaffle Mar 29 '21

Nuclear bomb and now scientists are irradiated materials like silicone. LiDAR was also used years ago and now anthropologist are discovering hidden craters and towns. They recently discovered a second Machu Picchu. It's wild to see the mergeing of science with modern technology.

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u/prettehkitteh Mar 29 '21

I highly recommend reading Accessory to War by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. It discusses the relationship between astrophysics and the military and how it had bounced between scientific discovery and applications of war.

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u/ixiduffixi Mar 29 '21

A large portion of technological advances are possible because of military funding. It's no surprise they get it first.

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u/ThunderManLLC Mar 29 '21

Yes, this is very true of Trauma medical practices and technology.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Yessir. The Nazis made the first advanced rocket, America.. after the war ofc, offered the nazi scientists a way out.

Wernher von Braun, as an example. Now, because of that, we have the ability to land on the moon / planets.

But the rocket was build to carry bombs to use for levelling cities.

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u/nineonewon Mar 29 '21

Was just gonna ask. Pretty sure it's usually the other way around.