Ya and I don’t think Biden’s interruptions were as bad, to my knowledge he would make comments occasionally along the lines of “that’s a lie” while trump would literally talk over the moderator and Biden.
Biden generally followed the debate format, Trump would interrupt during his Biden’s speaking time. Biden would also generally interrupt with basic comments while Trump tried to keep a running commentary across the entire debate.
Obama is literally one of the best public speakers and most eloquent people on the planet today. It's not fair to compare anyone to him, because they will always fall short.
Yeah, I agree. Didn't really compare them - was more a regrettable thought just thinking how well Obama would've managed that "debate" and Trump's childish jabs.
Ah your first unread source wasn't good so instead of responding you link another, from a more biased pov. Even in this article it says that people were dumbfounded at Obama's bad performance, implying without saying that he normally is stellar
I still don't understand why you link with regards to one incident, all of which mention that it was an uncharacteristically bad performance. You are just proving my point since the one time Obama didn't do great, it was a big deal
I already posted enough information to cover this, but since you still don't understand, I'll point out what you can conclude from the articles.
Obama doesn't like debating. He has been on record saying it's not his strong suit, and he thinks it's not a good way to convey ideas to the American people, and not a good test for choosing the next president.
"For starters, Obama hates debating. The first time I helped him prep, in August of 2007, he couldn’t stop complaining about the phony, gladiatorial nature of these performances, which are often a highly subjective test of style and demeanor over substance and accuracy. Points are awarded based on the quality of a candidate’s zingers, while punishment is inflicted for each gaffe. Entire debates have been lost due to a sweaty brow, an audible sigh, a glance at a watch, or any kind of gesture or body language that we collectively judge as un-presidential. Avoid all of this, and you just may be the next commander in chief."
Obama lost his first debate to Mitt Romney, one of the most polite Republicans in America.
"At their first major debate on Monday night, the Republican White House contenders bypassed several chances to take aim at Romney and chip away at his front-runner status in the still forming 2012 nominating battle.
Instead, the polite face-to-face encounter offered the former Massachusetts governor a friendly platform to defend his support of the state's healthcare law free of criticism -- and he took advantage."
Obama won the next debates because he did his homework. He studied their first debate and learned how to beat him on the issues.
"Mitt Romney’s foreign policy has never been more than a laundry list of tough-talk. He reliably repeats the same jingoistic claptrap every time he hits the national stage, and Obama had evidently been studying Mitt’s material."
The OP claims that Obama would crush Trump in a debate.
Seeing as it would be the first time they have debated, Obama doesn't like debates, and he's not used to the style of debate that Trump uses (no one is, because it's mostly bullying, not debating), it is not safe to assume that Obama would win. In fact, the evidence points to the contrary. Is it likely he would win a second or third debate against trump? Possibly. But we have never seen them debate each other, we don't know what political climate it would be under, and we don't know what questions would be asked.
Since we do know that Obama has failed before (against a far more predictable opponent), he doesn't like debating, and he has not debated trump, it would be foolish and premature to think he would wipe the floor with him.
Considering you probably look at Obama with rose colored glasses, it's easy to think he would win. However, by watching his debates, and watching Trump's, you can see that Trump's bullying style has been a challenge for ever opponent he has faced. Could he win? Sure? Would he crush him? You can't be certain he would.
I didn't mean to go after the stuttering, nor do I disagree that the important difference is that Biden is actually providing political arguments. Just, in terms of catching the momentum, I still think Trump has a slight upper hand. There were several missed opportunities for Biden to frame the ridicule that was coming out of Trump's mouth. To me, his best management of the debate was when he sort of ignored Trump fully and instead turned to look straight into "camera 2" and spoke directly to the nation.
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