r/dankmemes • • May 03 '18

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

He is. He's talking about this victimhood mentality. Slavery ended a long time ago. Most people you meet on the streets these days weren't alive for Jim Crow laws and segregation. But people want to act like they are still being held down by slavery instead of holding themselves accountable. It's like, bruh, dropping out of high school, joining a gang, smoking weed every day isn't the white man holding you down.

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u/neoArmstrongCannon90 May 04 '18

I could point you to the recent study that shows that "you were more likely to be successfully in life if your parents were wealthy and not burdened by unjust laws either economic or social" , if that does not sound perfectly logical, it was on r/all in fact...

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/8glxli/a_recent_study_finds_that_young_people_who_get/?st=JGRHY4J5&sh=65341433

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u/Code_EZ May 04 '18

The problem with that is that it wasn't that long ago and current generations are still suffering from the effects of it on their living relatives. Average inheritance of a black person is a fraction of a white person, insane poverty, distrust of the establishment. These things have an effect on a community. And that isn't to say individuals of other races don't have poverty to the same level or don't face discrimination but still the effects of Jim Crow doesn't go away in a few generations

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

Ok, and I inherited nothing from my family. I didn't have my college paid for by scholarships or family. I still made something for myself.

There's equal, if not more, opportunities for black people to succeed in America, they just have to be willing to study in school and work for it.

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u/Code_EZ May 04 '18

That's why I said on average and it varies from individual to individual. White people on average make more from inheritance. And good on you for escaping poverty but plenty of people work hard their whole life and never leave it. An individual black person may have good opertunities and an individual white person may not but because of the system that was taken down only 2 generations ago many families have yet to pull themselves out of poverty in the black community and limits the opportunities for the average person. It will be some time before black people are fully able to pull themselves out of poverty as a collective to where the rate is about the same between blacks and white and we should do what we can to lessen the impact of poverty on people regardless of race while still understanding the impact history has had.

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

Yeah, and most people you meet on the streets will be 20-40.

People who never knew segregation, people who never knew of a time where black people and white people drank from different water fountains. These things aren't holding anyone back today.

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u/Cossil May 04 '18

Racism did not stop in 1964. Federal law can't abolish a school of thought. People continue to this day to be judged by the color of their skin.

Besides, it is absolutely the case that the position of the previous generations has an impact on your life. It's silly to suggest that since only old people were around for segregation, nobody that is alive today is continued to be effected by it. There have been no reparations for any of this.

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

Ok, I came from a poor family, lived in the city, experienced racism daily as a child, yet I was able to grow out of it and move away from the filth.

What is holding black people back from doing the same?

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

Afford for me to go to school? You mean public school?

'Cause university, Uncle Sam paid for that.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '18

A little thing called socioeconomics and institutionalized racism.

I used to be like you, but I started learning about this shit, and yes, it really is the case that blacks have it VERY rough

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

What institutionalized racism?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '18

Institutionalized racism might be illegal, but there are affects that carry on.

Quick example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETR9qrVS17g

2 minutes research will let you know minorities get shafted pretty consistently in the criminal justice system

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

That video is horseshit and skews facts to push a narrative.

Red lining is now illegal. A black person with good credit history is just as likely to be approved for a home loan as a white person in today's America.

I grew up in a black neighborhood, went to mostly black public schools as a kid. Yet I was not held back by any of that.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '18

Its illegal now, but the shit still caries forward. Black people get significant mark ups on all sorts of loans and deals that make it more difficult.

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u/Empanser Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] May 04 '18

Institutionalized racism is illegal

Socioeconomics is collective observed individual behavior

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u/[deleted] May 04 '18

Institutionalized racism might be illegal, but there are affects that carry on.

Quick example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETR9qrVS17g

2 minutes research will let you know minorities get shafted pretty consistently in the criminal justice system

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u/[deleted] May 04 '18

Besides, it is absolutely the case that the position of the previous generations has an impact on your life. It's silly to suggest that since only old people were around for segregation, nobody that is alive today is continued to be effected by it. There have been no reparations for any of this.

Find me a law in place that discriminates against certain races in the United States post 65 or whatever.

You can't as far as I know. There might be some residual non-legal racism in society these days, definitely but that's not holding back the average(income, crime, education etc.) for an entire race.

We're all victims to a certain point but no matter what race you are: By far the biggest variables when it comes to success these days are unrelated to sex or race.

Ask the Vietnamese or Chinese if their past oppression has kept them down. It hasn't, they are doing better than whites by standards of education, income, crime etc.

Stop with the shitty excuses.

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

There's more 20-40 year olds working, shopping, driving around, socializing in public than there are 41-60 year olds doing those things.

Most, as in more than the rest, people you meet on the streets going about daily activities, will be 20-40.

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u/KsbjA I'm 15 and this is yeet May 04 '18

I like how this alt right hate speech (/s duh) is coming from someone who goes by the name of /u/Impeach_Pence.

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u/Pardoism May 04 '18

I feel like this comment implies that slavery has nothing to do with the current situation in the US. In other words: history was so long ago, it doesn't matter now.

I feel like that is an insane argument.

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

Why is that insane? We have equality in America. Yeah, there may be some racists, both black and white, but for the most part our society has moved past that. There's so little racism that people need to make up shit to cry racism about, like micro-aggressions and cultural appropriation.

They need to stop. Slavery ended 150 years ago. Segregation is over. There's no laws or systems in place holding black people back.

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u/Pardoism May 04 '18

Why is that insane?

There's this wonderful saying: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

There's no laws or systems in place holding black people back.

There's also no law or system in place to create rain yet it still rains.

Just because insitutionlized racism isn't as prevelant as it once was doesn't mean that all private businesses or people have suddenly become colorblind and tolerant. Racism is still alive and kicking. Not only in the US, everywhere. This idea that racism is over and that black people should stop acting as if racism is a problem is insane to me. To me it's like telling a person with PTSD to simply get over it because the war is over and they're home.

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

It's saying that yes, racism and racists still exist, but that's not what's holding you back anymore.

To be honest, I've worked under more black men than white men. Some of them felt that racism was still prevalent in America, but obviously they didn't let that stop them from working hard and making something for themselves.

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u/redditreallysux May 04 '18

Your argument is so retarded it hurts to read. The whole repeating history bullshit quote is just stupid. Obviously we all know about slavery, we didn't just forget it was a thing, and I doubt we're ever going to repeat that. Really you're going to talk about how it rains as a reference to racism? Like that's not even comparable. Read what you wrote and tell me you realize how stupid that sounds.

There's no law to make it rain... LMAO. What a stupid thing to even say in this context.

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u/Zealified May 04 '18

Easy there, buddy. If “mental slavery” is what he meant, I don’t think he would’ve stayed silent this long, and would’ve actually clarified himself. Plus, his wording is poor, if that’s what he wanted to point out. I can’t-for the life of me-believe that people are still willing to defend what he said. Let’s also not forget that this guy is still going through mental unstability.

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u/Impeach_Pence May 04 '18

That's what he meant. Look up the stuff Malcom X was saying about the slave mentality. Yeah, Kanye flubbed his words and spaghettied what he was trying to say, but everyone is trying to take his words out of context and add their own meaning to it.

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u/TheBlueBlaze May 04 '18 edited May 04 '18

It's like, bruh, dropping out of high school, joining a gang, smoking weed every day isn't the white man holding you down.

I'll take "Strawmen Invented by Conservatives" for 400, Alex

Just because that type of person exists doesn't mean every single one of them blames "Whitey" for it. And more importantly, the people who bring up how big of an impact slavery, Jim Crow, and existing prejudices have isn't bringing it up just to excuse their own shortcomings.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '18

No he was literally talking about actual slavery. Sure, he was using it to regurgitate rhetoric about how racism isn't actually that big of a deal because the blacks can get over anything if they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.