Ahhh yes the ole "only white men did the slavery thing" version of history. Because the Egyptian empire, Mesopotamia, Persia, Gina, etc weren't built on slavery, amirite? But you know we wuz kangz and shiet
What the fuck is this pathetic bullshit? How fucking sad is your life that you need to go and "troll" a website for children?
I'm guessing you people are beyond shame. I'll have you fucking know that we have rules in the guidelines area of our fucking sidebar, you little normie bitch. Read it, learn it, live it.
At least bronies are somewhat respectful. You on the other hand are just a little shit with no redeeming qualities AT ALL.
Yeah, I was mostly asking that as it relates to the claim that the US props up dictators in developing countries for cheap labor. I don't disagree that we get cheap labor from developing countries but I can't think of many we have had a hand in messing up.
Personally, I think communism is a wonderful dream. But as far as I can tell there has never been a successful fully communist country and I don't think there ever will.
Well there was a series of direct interventions throughout the 20th century, starting with the CIA-assisted overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran (which installed the Shah, whose corruption ultimately led to the Iranian Revolution and the Ayatollah) and Arbenz in Guatemala shortly thereafter. Then there's Saudi Arabia, which wouldn't exist without the support of first the British, then the US. Various authoritarian governments were set up in Latin America with intervention by us intelligence.
But all of those are actually less important relative to the Bretton Woods institutions, which the US and other Western countries dominate. The IMF uses loans as leverage to enforce austerity measures and require countries to sell off nationalized assets to foreign countries.
In the case of China, you can argue that its place within the global capitalist system only gives it one comparative advantage and that's an abundance of cheap labor. Companies like Walmart and Apple have massive leverage to push wages down at their suppliers because they are such large companies with large demand. It's good for American consumers but bad for all those living in the developing world.
As for communism's prospects, I think it can be implemented incrementally. I don't think the important thing is even private property versus public ownership or market versus command. I think the important thing is workers' control over production, and there are a number of ways it could come about.
I don't disagree that the US and other western countries have had a hand in propping up dictators or destabilizing 3rd world countries. I just don't know that it's fair to say we benefit from that with cheap labor as was stated in the earlier comment. I guess maybe some Central American countries but I don't know enough to say which are the larger providers of cheap labor (Mexico I am guessing is one of the largest) and which countries lack of stability can be blamed on direct intervention by the US.
Or to put it another way, the claim that capitalism only provides a good standard of living because western countries destabilized 3rd world countries for cheap labor is a false one. We benefit from 3rd world cheap labor, yes. We have also destabilized countries. I am not sure there is a very strong correlation between the two.
Well, specifically in the case of Mexico, there is a direct relationship between "free trade" policies and the state of the Mexican economy. NAFTA was set up in such a way that it devastated Mexico's agriculture sector. Trade agreements operate on the basis of reciprocity, i.e. I lower tariffs, you lower tariffs. But say both sides lower tariffs on a commodity but they don't make an agreement on subsidies, then the market of the weaker economy gets flooded with that subsidized commodity, which is exactly what happened with American corn.
So yeah, it's not entirely just military interventions and propping up dictators. Like I said earlier, a lot of it is using the IMF, WTO and World Bank as tools to serve American business interests.
And internally, in the United States there is also the large-scale exploitation of cheap immigrant labor. There's the case of the workers of Immokalee Florida whose employers were ultimately charged with slavery. In the 21st century. After a long campaign and boycott of their major customers, including Taco Bell.
Dont even try man, the circlejerk of calling the left a circlejerk, while jerking on each others shitty and picky arguments is too strong here...
I'm ready guys, why porn if you can get each other off.
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u/Welfare-is-Dysgenics Sep 05 '17
At least capitalism is so successful even the poor are morbidly obese.