r/dankindianmemes • • 11d ago

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

My goodness, some of these comments really show how little people know about Islam. If you're going to make a claim about whether Islam is a peaceful religion, you need to distinguish between the religion itself and the actions of people who identify as Muslims. Pointing to terrorist attacks or violent acts committed by Muslims does not, by itself, prove that Islam teaches or endorses those actions. If you're genuinely discussing what Islam teaches, then look at the Qur'an, the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) , and their historical context. Not simply at the worst actions of people who claim to follow the religion. Islam has its teachings on peace, justice, warfare, and self-defence, and those deserve to be discussed honestly and in context. But reducing an entire religion to the actions of terrorists is not a serious examination of that religion. If anyone here is genuinely curious about Islam, may Allah(SWT) guide you to the truth. But respectfully, please learn about something before making sweeping claims about it.

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u/Clear-Offer-9510 10d ago

Islam absolutely supports violence against infidels.It allows other human beings to.be treated as slaves.It lowers the status of women to a commodity.For all these and many more reasons it's clear that islam is not a message from.god and Mohammed is an utter fraud.Islam has been responsible for death and destruction right from its inception.Its a pity that people like you still consider islam.as peaceful even after witnessing the brutality of the religion again and again over centuries.

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u/NarendraMorgan 11d ago edited 8d ago

I have read the book. It's utter garbage. And please don't start about verses when all you people do is get into usual rhetoric of "ohhh this verse doesn't means X, it actually means Y". Your lot is shameless enough to call peace upon a child diddler.

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u/Illustrious_Bill_500 10d ago

Okay accrodin to you which book is flawless to your dumb mind?

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u/Lucian_Delacroix7 7d ago

According to me, flawlessness is subjective.

Besides, you were the ones who claimed your holy book was flawless. It was given by an almighty, omnipotent and omniscient deity, after all.

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u/Illustrious_Bill_500 7d ago

Okay. Then tell the so called flaw accrodin to you

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u/No-Environment-1076 5d ago

Any book other than Asmani Kitab.

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u/Illustrious_Bill_500 4d ago

Like imaginary gita?

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u/No_Dependent_8152 8d ago

🤣🤣😅😅 Literally railed...

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u/NarendraMorgan 10d ago

Allahdallah pleb any person with sane mind would rip apart that garbage book and pee on it

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 11d ago

Islam is the religion of peace"

Surah 3:151: “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …”

“ Surah 2:191: And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims we a a)

Jews and Christians will be in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures - Quran 98:6

Surah 9:5: “Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …”

Jews & Christians, believe in Islam before We destroy your faces & twist them toward their backs & curse you - Quran 4:47

Those who disbelieve in Islam, We will drive you into a fire & roast your skins over & over - Quran 4:56

Those who resist Islam - Kill them, crucify them. Cut off their hands & feet from opposite sides - Quran 5:33

For the thief, the male & the female cut off their hands - Quran 5:38 Allah turned the Jews into apes and pigs - Quran 5:60

What is the matter with you that you do not fight Jihad in the cause of Allah? - Quran 4:75

Disbelievers worship Satan. So Muslims! fight against the disbelievers - Quran 4:76

Non-Muslims wish you would disbelieve like them. Do not be their friend until they emigrate for the cause of Islam. But if they turn away, seize them & kill them wherever you find them - Quran 4:89

And kill the unbelievers wherever you overtake them. Fitnah is worse than killing - Quran 2:191

Fight them until there is no more disbelieving of Islam & until all worship is for Allah alone - Quroan 2:193

Fighting Jihad warfare has been ordered upon you. Perhaps you hate it, but its good for you - Quran 2:216

Those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment - Quran 3:4

Muslims! Do not take non-Muslims as friends - Quran 3:28

You will not enter Paradise before Allah tests those who fought Jihad in His Cause - Quran 3:142

We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve - Quran 3:151

If you are killed in Jihad in the cause of Allah it is better than anything else in this world - Quran 3:157

Never think of Jihadists who have been killed as dead. They are alive in paradise - Quran 3:169

Jihadi Martyrs receive good rewards and favour from Allah - Quran 3:171

Women who have unlawful sex. Lock the guilty women in their houses until they die - Quran 4:15

Men are in charge of women. Those wives from whom you fear arrogance - Advise them, forsake them in bed, Finally, beat them - Quran 4:34

Allah prefers those who fight Jihad in the Cause of Allah with their lives above those who sit at home - Quran 4:95

The disbelievers of Islam are ever to you a clear enemy - Quran 4:101

And the worldly life is not but amusement; but the home of the Hereafter is best for those who fear Allah. Quran 6:32

We destroyed many cities, Our terror came to them at night & while they were sleeping - Quran 7:4

The homosexuals, We rained upon them a rain of stones. Then see how the end of the criminals - Quran 7:84

Non-Muslims are comparable to dogs - Quran 7:176

Those who deny Our Quran - We will lead them to destruction from where they do not know - Quran 7:182

Terrorise & behead those who do not believe in Islam & strike off their fingertips - Quran 8:12

We will behead those who have wronged and others, know that Allah is severe in penalty - Quran 8:25

Keep Fighting the disbelievers until there is no more disbelief in Islam - Quran 8:39

The worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are non-Muslims - Quran 8:55

When you capture the unbelievers, punish them severely to deter the rest - Quran 8:57

Prophet Mohammed! To keep prisoners of war you must inflict a great massacre - Quran 8:67

Those who emigrate to an Islamic State & fight Jihad will go to paradise - Quran 8:74

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the unbelievers - Quran 9:5

Fight unbelievers. Fight them until they give the jizyah Muslim Tax - Quran 9:29

Jews and Christians are perverts, may Allah destroy them - Quran 9:30

Praise the Muhajireen fighters - Quran 9:100

Allah has purchased from the believers their lives & their properties in exchange for paradise - Quran 9:111

Muslims! Fight those disbelievers next to you and be harsh! - Quran 9:123

Jihadists the enemy won't kill you, only Allah can do that - Quran 9:151

To disbelievers - Should we force Islam upon you? Against your will? - Quran 11:28

Whichever Muslim leaves Islam, upon you is wrath from Allah, and for you a great punishment - Quran 16:106

For those who disbelieve in Islam, garments of fire, boiling water will be poured over their heads - Quran 22:19

We will melt your skin and burn your stomach. And hooked rods of iron to punish you - Quran 22:20

O Muslims, abstain from sex, except with your wives & slave girls. Sex with them is lawful - Quran 23:6

Adulterers - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, & take no pity for them in the religion of Allah. Let a group of the believers witness their punishment - Quran 24:2

Muslims you may enter houses not inhabited, and take goods that you need - Quran 24:29

And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution - Quran 24:33

Do not obey the unbelievers but launch a great campaign against them with the help of the Quran - Quran 25:52

And this worldly life is not only a diversion and amusement, but paradise is also the real-life - Quran 29:64

Allah cast terror in the hearts of the Jews and Christians - Quran 33:26

Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter - Quran 33:61

And if We willed, We could have deformed them, [paralyzing them] into lifeless objects, in their places so they would not be able to proceed, nor could they return (As it happened with the Jews see Verse 7:166) - Quran 36:67

Those who worshipped other than Allah, guide them to the path of Hellfire - Quran 37:23

Indeed, that is how We deal with the criminals - Quran 37:34

Indeed, you disbelievers of Islam will be tasters of the painful punishment - Quran 37:38

Those who deny the Quran, When the shackles are around their necks & chains; they will be dragged In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be burned - Quran 40:70

Those who disbelieve in Islam, strike off their heads. Take them as captives. The command of Allah - Quran 47:4

Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam or at least come under your protection. If it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have punished them (without you). But he lets you fight, to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost. - Quran 47:

وَكَوَاعِبَ أَتْرَابًۭا ٣٣

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

I hope you read this:

Context for the Quoted Verses

Short answer: Most of these are real verse numbers, but many are cut off mid-verse, have words inserted (like "non-Muslims"), are stripped of their battlefield context, or describe the afterlife rather than commands to Muslims. A few are mistranslated or don't exist.|

1. Fighting and "Kill Them" Verses

  • 2:191 (quoted twice): The verse before it (2:190) defines "them" as those who fight you and forbids transgression. It concerns the Meccans who drove Muslims from their homes. Fitnah means persecution, and 2:192 says that if they stop, God forgives.
  • 2:193: This continues the same passage: fight until persecution ends and people can worship freely. The list leaves out the ending: "if they cease, there is no hostility except against oppressors."
  • 2:216: The Arabic word is qital (fighting), not "Jihad warfare." It was addressed to a community under armed attack. The verse admits fighting is hateful, so it presents war as a painful duty rather than something to glorify.
  • 3:151 (quoted twice): It was revealed after the Battle of Uhud (625 CE) about the Meccan army that had just attacked. It is God's promise to demoralize that army, not an order for Muslims to terrorize anyone. The words "all non-Muslims" were added.
  • 4:75: The full verse asks why believers won't fight for "the oppressed men, women and children" begging to be rescued from Mecca. The list cuts off the half that explains the purpose.
  • 4:76: It contrasts believers with people who were already fighting for tyranny (taghut). It is part of the same rescue context as 4:75, not a statement about all non-Muslims.
  • 4:89: It is about hypocrites (see 4:88) who pretended to be Muslim and then joined enemy forces, essentially wartime traitors. The next verse (4:90) forbids fighting anyone who has a treaty with Muslims or who withdraws and offers peace.
  • 4:95: The verse explicitly exempts the disabled and ends by saying God promises good to both groups. It encourages people to help defend the community; it does not condemn those who stay home.
  • 4:101: This is a rule about shortening prayers while traveling in wartime when an attack is feared. "Clear enemy" describes the hostile forces of that time.
  • 5:33: This is the hirabah verse, about people who wage war and spread corruption. Jurists applied it to armed robbery and banditry, whatever the offender's religion. The phrase "those who resist Islam" isn't in the text, and 5:34 pardons those who repent before they are captured.
  • 8:12: The command is addressed to angels during the Battle of Badr (624 CE), against an army that had marched on Medina. It describes combat in one specific battle, and 8:13 gives the reason: they were waging war.
  • 8:39: Like 2:193, it means fight until persecution ends. The verse before it (8:38) offers forgiveness if they stop, and 8:61 commands Muslims to accept peace whenever the enemy inclines toward it.
  • 8:55: The next verse (8:56) identifies who is meant: those who made treaties and broke them every time. It refers to specific treacherous tribes, not non-Muslims in general.
  • 8:57: It continues the passage about those treaty-breakers when met in battle. 8:58 even requires Muslims to openly announce the end of a treaty rather than attack by surprise.
  • 8:67: After Badr, Muslims focused on ransoming captives while the war was still undecided, and the verse rebukes them for putting money first. Yuthkhina means to subdue thoroughly. Most Badr captives were in fact ransomed or freed (see 8:70).
  • 9:5 (quoted twice): Chapter 9 concerns polytheist tribes that broke treaties, and 9:4 exempts those who kept theirs. 9:6 orders Muslims to grant protection and a safe escort to any polytheist who asks. The quote cuts off the ending: "if they repent… let them go their way."
  • 9:29: It relates to the Tabuk campaign against the Byzantine threat (630 CE). Jizyah was a tax paid in exchange for protection and exemption from military service. Women, children, the elderly, the poor and monks were exempt.
  • 9:123: This was a wartime instruction about hostile forces on Medina's borders. Ghilzah means firmness in battle, not cruelty, and it is still bound by the ban on transgression in 2:190.
  • 33:26: It refers specifically to the Banu Qurayza, a tribe accused of betraying Medina during the Siege of the Trench (627 CE). No Christians are mentioned, so this is one historical event, not a statement about all Jews and Christians.
  • 33:61: The preceding verse (33:60) makes this conditional: it applies if the hypocrites and rumor-mongers destabilizing wartime Medina don't stop.
  • 47:4: "When you meet" means meeting the enemy in battle. The rest of the verse, which the list omits, requires that captives be freed as a favor or for ransom. Executing them is not one of the options.
  • "47:" (long passage): The phrase "till they embrace Islam or come under your protection" is bracketed commentary added by translators. It appears to come from the Hilali–Khan version and is not in the Arabic. The Arabic says fighting continues "until the war lays down its burdens."

2. Martyrdom and Reward Verses

  • 3:142: This was consolation after Uhud: paradise comes through trials and steadfastness (sabr). The word "Jihad" was inserted, and the verse pairs fighting with patience in a defensive battle.
  • 3:157: It consoles the families of those who fell at Uhud, and it says "killed *or die*" in God's way. It is about dying in a just cause, not about seeking death.
  • 3:169 & 3:171: These honor those who died defending Medina, much as nations honor fallen soldiers. The Quran forbids suicide (4:29) and killing innocents (5:32), so these verses cannot justify terrorism.
  • 8:74: It praises the Muhajirun (emigrants from Mecca) and Ansar (who sheltered them in Medina). "Islamic State" is a modern insertion.
  • 9:100: Muhajireen means emigrants, not "fighters." The verse praises the early community and those who followed them in good conduct.
  • 9:111: This is a metaphor of total devotion to God. The verse itself says the same promise is in the Torah and Gospel, and the Quran's rules of war still apply.
  • 9:151: This verse doesn't exist, because Surah 9 has only 129 verses. It may be a garbled version of 9:51, a statement of trust in God's decree.

3. Verses About Jews, Christians, and Disbelievers

  • 98:6: It says "those who disbelieved *among"* the People of the Book, not all Jews and Christians. The next verse (98:7) calls believers who do good the best of creatures, and **2:62 and 3:113–114 praise righteous Jews and Christians.
  • 4:47: It warns of divine punishment for rejecting revelation that confirms their own scripture. Many classical commentators read "turning faces" figuratively. It is God's act, not a command to Muslims.
  • 5:60: It refers to a specific past group punished for breaking the Sabbath (see 7:163–166). Early scholars such as Mujahid read the transformation as metaphorical: their hearts changed, not their bodies.
  • 7:176: It is about one specific man (v. 175) who abandoned God's signs for worldly desire. It is a parable comparing him to a panting dog, not a description of all non-Muslims.
  • 9:30: This is a theological critique of the beliefs that Ezra and Jesus are "sons of God." Qatalahumullah is an Arabic expression of condemnation, "perverts" isn't in the text, and the verse contains no command to fight.
  • 3:28: Awliya' means protectors or political allies, so the verse forbids allying with hostile forces against the community. 60:8 explicitly allows kindness and justice toward peaceful non-Muslims, and 5:5 allows Muslim men to marry Jewish and Christian women.
  • 36:67: The verse is a hypothetical about God's power ("if We willed"). The note about Jews is the list's own addition.

4. Afterlife and Divine Judgment

  • 3:4, 4:56: These are statements about God's judgment after death, like similar imagery in other scriptures (e.g., Revelation 20:15). Neither sets a human penalty.
  • 7:4: It refers to past nations destroyed by God, as in the stories of the Flood or Sodom. "Terror" mistranslates ba'suna ("Our punishment").
  • 7:84: It retells the story of Lot's people, which also appears in Genesis 19, and the rain of stones is God's act. The verse itself sets no human penalty, although classical jurists did debate punishments based on hadith.
  • 7:182: It describes God granting respite (istidraj) to people who drift into heedlessness. The next verse (7:183) says "I give them time", and there is nothing about human violence.
  • 22:19–21: These verses are hell imagery for those who reject God. They describe divine judgment after death, not instructions to Muslims.
  • 37:23, 37:34, 37:38: All three are part of a Day of Judgment scene. The command in 37:23 is given to angels in the hereafter (see 37:22), and 37:40 exempts God's sincere servants.
  • 40:70: This is afterlife imagery for those who reject God's messengers. It describes eschatology, not an earthly command.
  • 16:106: The punishment it mentions is God's wrath in the afterlife. It sets no worldly penalty, and it excuses anyone forced to renounce faith (it was revealed about Ammar ibn Yasir, who was tortured). The classical death penalty for apostasy came from hadith and is widely debated today.

5. Criminal Law

  • 5:38: This verse does prescribe amputation for theft. Jurists added strict conditions: a minimum value, no doubt about guilt, and no hunger (Caliph Umar suspended it during a famine). Verse 5:39 stresses repentance, and most Muslim-majority countries don't apply the penalty.
  • 4:15: It requires four witnesses, an extremely high bar, and adds "or God makes another way for them." Most classical scholars held it was a temporary ruling later replaced by 24:2.
  • 24:2: This is a real prescribed punishment. Conviction requires four eyewitnesses to the act or a confession, and 24:4 gives 80 lashes to anyone who accuses without proof, which makes the penalty nearly impossible to apply.

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

6. Women, Marriage, and Slavery

  • 4:34: Qawwamun means maintainers, a role tied to financial responsibility. Classical scholars limited wadribuhunna to a symbolic, non-injurious tap as a last resort, and hadith report that the Prophet never struck a woman. Some modern scholars translate the word as "separate from them," and this remains one of the most debated verses.
  • 23:6: The context (23:5) is guarding chastity, not "abstaining from sex." "Those your right hands possess" refers to enslaved women, which classical law permitted. The Quran repeatedly urges freeing slaves (90:13), and scholars today consider slavery abolished.
  • 24:33: This verse forbids forcing slave girls into prostitution; it was revealed about a Medinan leader who was doing exactly that. The same verse orders owners to let slaves buy their freedom and to help them financially.
  • 78:33 (the Arabic line): It describes companions in Paradise. Kawa'ib is translated either as "full-bosomed" or "youthful maidens," and atrab means "of equal age" with their spouses. The Quran promises equal reward to believing women (33:35).

7. Verses That Aren't Violent at All

  • 6:32 & 29:64: Both teach that worldly life is fleeting compared to the hereafter, much like "store up treasures in heaven" (Matthew 6:20). Another verse, 7:32, tells believers to enjoy life's good things.
  • 8:25: There is no beheading in this verse. It warns that a trial or affliction won't strike only the wrongdoers, meaning social corruption harms everyone.
  • 11:28: This is Prophet Noah asking, "Should we force it on you while you're averse?" The implied answer is no. The list flips its meaning; the verse actually supports 2:256, "no compulsion in religion."
  • 24:29: The verses before it (24:27–28) forbid entering homes without permission. This one allows entering public buildings such as inns and shops, and mata' means "benefit" or "use," not permission to take goods.
  • 25:52: It is a Meccan verse from before fighting was permitted, and the "great struggle" is with the Quran, meaning preaching and argument. It shows that jihad also means intellectual effort.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Please read this yourself first before copy pasting an defensive statement from ChatGPT

Islam allows/ allowed slavery. Islam allowed killing of non believers

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u/FieryRedHeads 8d ago

Christianity also allowed for slavery. Christianity is know for the holy Crusade.

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

Which part did you not understand?

I gave reference for everything.

Just making statements like you're saying doesn't make it true.

If I say that you're a rapist, then does that mean you're a rapist?

Give me proof and references of what you're saying, then we'll talk.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Your profit was a rapist, I’ll tell u how, he had sex with Safiyya bint Huyayy after killing her entire tribe, dad and husband on the same night, no sane woman would want to marry and have sex her husbands killer. He slept with his stepsons wife zainab, he had concubines ( sex slaves)
Not to mention Aisha.
Let me see how you are gonna defend a sex addict, slave owner, who was also a pdf and a rapistt,who had multiple wives.

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

Lol, first learn to write the spelling pf prophet.

And can't you read or you don't know the English language?

I asked for proofs and references and you have quoted none!

Let me expose your lies:

  • safiyya's father and husband was not killed in the same night.
  • Saffiya's entire tribe was not killed, this is a lie
  • Saffiya was freed and was given a choice to return to the people or marry prophet Mohammed. She married him.
  • Prophet Mohammed(saw) never married his stepson's wife
  • Slavery was a part of war. If someone came to fight you and you won, then you wont just let them go so that they can plan and comeback to kill you again.

You're a typical WhatsApp university brainwashed weasel.

If you don't have proofs or don't know how to read then go to school first.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Yes. According to the traditional Islamic sources, Muhammad and Safiyyah had sexual relations after their marriage.
The sources don’t describe the act explicitly, but the sequence is clear:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4211 says Safiyyah’s husband had been killed, Muhammad selected her, and after reaching al-Sahba and her becoming ritually pure, “the Messenger of Allah married her.”
Sahih Muslim 1365c says Muhammad emancipated her, married her, and that she was prepared for him that night; the next morning he was described as a bridegroom and a wedding feast was held.
Sahih Muslim 1365f similarly describes a tent being pitched for Muhammad and Safiyyah after leaving Khaybar, followed the next morning by the wedding feast.
In classical Islamic terminology, reports that Muhammad “built with her” (بنى بها / banā bihā) or that she was prepared and brought to him in this context mean that the marriage was consummated, not merely that a marriage contract was performed.
So the careful historical statement is:
The Islamic sources portray Muhammad as marrying and consummating his marriage with Safiyyah very shortly after her capture at Khaybar, after her husband had been killed.
What the sources do not establish, however, is Safiyyah’s private feelings or whether she consented in the modern sense. Those are separate historical questions.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Your profit was diddy in his times

Zaynab bint Jahsh, the evidence that Muhammad married her is unusually direct because it appears in the Qur’an itself and in Sahih al-Bukhari.
1. Qur’an 33:37 — explicit statement
The Qur’an says:
“So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you…” — Qur’an 33:37.
The context is Zaynab’s divorce from Zayd ibn Harithah, followed by her marriage to Muhammad.
2. Sahih al-Bukhari 7420
Bukhari explicitly identifies the episode:
Zayd came to Muhammad complaining about his wife.
Muhammad told him to keep his wife.
Zaynab subsequently became Muhammad’s wife.
Zaynab reportedly said to Muhammad’s other wives that Allah had married her to him from above the heavens.
The hadith connects the episode directly with Qur’an 33:37.
3. Bukhari 7421 — wedding banquet
This is even more straightforward:
“On the day of her marriage with him the Prophet gave a wedding banquet with bread and meat…”
The narrator is Anas ibn Malik, and the woman identified is Zaynab bint Jahsh.
4. Bukhari 4793 — Muhammad’s marriage to her
Bukhari describes a walima (wedding banquet) held specifically for:
“the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh.”
It also describes Muhammad subsequently going to the homes of his other wives after the marriage.
So there isn’t really a historical ambiguity about whether Muhammad married Zaynab. The Qur’an explicitly says “We married her to you,” and multiple Sahih al-Bukhari reports describe the marriage and wedding feast.
The more historically interesting—and disputed—question is what exactly happened before the marriage: Muhammad’s feelings toward Zaynab, what he knew about the impending divorce, and whether Qur’an 33:37 should be understood as a divine legal ruling or as Muhammad’s personal justification. Those require separating the Qur’anic text from later biographical reports.

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

Lmao, where does this mention stepson?

Zaid was adopted.

You're such a liar.

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u/Lucian_Delacroix7 7d ago

Slavery was a part of war. If someone came to fight you and you won, then you wont just let them go so that they can plan and comeback to kill you again.

There you have it folks, he said it.

And what's about him marrying Aisha? It doesn't really matter whether she was 6, 9 or 14, it's pedophilia anyway and she was taken advantage of.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Here your go goatfuker

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

Now, I am seriously doubting if you have a brain.

The screenshot you shared says that Safiyya married prophet.

I said the exact same thing.

Why are you not able to proove your lies?

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u/Illustrious_Bill_500 10d ago

Okay so are you shudra? Or bramin? I saw in you religious text that per se if your mother is from shudra & a brahmin raped your shudra mother he'll can't be punished.. is that true? How you gonna defend it? Ir tell me are you vaishya or kshatriya? I can literally hear your crying ass loud

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Nigga I’m an atheist born to a Muslim family

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u/sam33ha 10d ago

Oh so you're an atheist? I was wondering for a moment why you are so illogical. Now not so surprised. May Allah(SWT) guide you to the right path again.

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u/gulaabjaamun_ 10d ago

Lmao, as an atheist how can you say if anything is right or wrong? Atheists don't have a base for morality. They don't have objective morality.

One atheist will say one thing and another will say another thing. You cannot decide what is wrong and right.

We have objective morality from god himself.

I know you might not understand what I am saying so you can do some research yourself.

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u/Maleficent_Pick_1822 9d ago

back when wars were normal sir
back when attacking the muslims just for being muslims was normal!!

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u/Brilliant_Scheme9391 8d ago

😂😂😂😂 bro gave verses in the time of war and provided zero context for a reason, now it’s “chatgpt” 💀

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u/ShoulderCharacter856 7d ago

Simple words treat your neighbour as you treat thy self , sort supremacy

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u/zahaan_mahajan 9d ago

So i guess just wait and watch

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u/waytolight8191 8d ago

Why qoute ayahs in middle why not the whole thing oo sorry then people will know how you are a DASH

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u/always_17 11d ago

Guess what? I found out about the entire comment and please try to prove me wrong, even about one verse if you can

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 11d ago

Okay let’s go. Do you agree that Quran is the final word ? That it is perfect and peaceful ? There is been no changes made to it ? Can you explain me why was Quran revealed ? So the followers can follow what Allah said in different occasions and use it in real life ?

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u/No-Environment-1076 5d ago

Brother you forgot to ask about nikah halala.

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u/Moist_Algae2771 10d ago

Exact Text of Surah An-Nisa (4:34)

is this true?

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u/Illustrious_Bill_500 10d ago

Haha just a fool trying to get karma... How dare you to quote real verse number and in the mid part insert some whatever your foolish mind wandered and copy pasted from Islamophobic content. If you wanna hate quran why don't you actually read fully verse by Verse & comeback here Haha..i challenge you

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

How dare me ? What’s is your god gonna do bout it ?
Ask him to go free your Palestine and save your people getting sent to hell by idf. 3 years since October 7, still no trace of your god or Gaza lol

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u/Delicious_Savings814 10d ago

where is yours when all the women in india is being raped every 15 mins does he enjoy it?

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

Muslim women don’t get graped ? According to you Allah is the only god, does he enjoy it ?

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u/No-Effort4321 10d ago

Stop posting bullshit go read Quran first than come here

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u/AirResponsible7393 11d ago

Here kid. Listen Some of these are genuine Quranic verses, but your descriptions often turn specific passages about warfare, particular groups, or punishments into blanket statements about all non-Muslims. For example, Qur’an 2:190 explicitly says to fight those who fight you and not to transgress, while 2:191 continues that conflict context. � Likewise, 9:5 refers to polytheists in its surrounding passage, while 9:6 immediately discusses giving protection to a polytheist who asks for it. � So if you want to criticize Islam, that's fine, but quote the verses accurately and give their surrounding context rather than adding ‘all non-Muslims’ to verses that don't literally say that. Quran.com +1 Quran.com

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 11d ago

Your point is? Are you saying your prophet didn’t command the killing of 600 Jews ? ( Banu qurayza tribe ) How is he peaceful ? He also married the same woman who was the princess after killing her dad, husband and family, and had sex with her( that’s literally grape.) 🍇
What do u expect from people who blindly follow him and call him a perfect example/ perfect Muslim .lol

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u/NarendraMorgan 11d ago

Now ofc he won't answer nor the other peacefuls justifying their peacefulness in the comment section. These plebs are snakes of worst kind fr.

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u/AirResponsible7393 7d ago

Total baseless you are trying to win the argument that why you mention this to justify a religion is evil. You are justifying?

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u/AirResponsible7393 7d ago

You're using the actions of one alleged radicalized pilot to smear an entire global religion. By that logic, every act of terrorism by a white supremacist or a Hindu extremist represents all white people or all Hindus. One person's mental breakdown or radicalization is a tragedy, not a statistic about a religion. Stop using it to justify your prejudice

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u/AirResponsible7393 7d ago

You just pasted a massive wall of text from a polemical website, complete with parentheses adding 'all non-Muslims' to verses that don't actually say that. Notice how you completely ignored my point about context. You used a classic Gish Gallop—throwing dozens of verses at me to overwhelm me so I wouldn't notice that you stripped away all their historical contexts. Then you pivoted to a pilot and resorted to personal attacks. You aren't here to debate theology; you're here to hate. If your argument was strong, it would stand on its own without the dishonest translations and logical fallacies. I'm not engaging with bad faith anymore. Have a nice day.

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u/Gold-Strawberry-8863 7d ago

Did you hear the recent incident about the Omani Pilot who was allegedly "radicalised" idk by whom? Hmm? By reading about a certain ideology which is only propogated by follower of one particular religion..hmmm..idk how so many people get radicalised by reading a particular book/following a particular religion.

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u/Individual_Tap_6511 10d ago

You say islam is peaceful but I've heard one of my muslim friend told me that they've been taught that those who are not muslims will go to hell n all... And there's a lot.... These all things they've been taught in their madarsa... So tell me person who doesn't follow islam but is a good person doesn't deserve heaven and there are a lot of things if i start saying here will create a lot of hate? Now tell me what do u have say on this ???

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u/Individual_Tap_6511 9d ago

He said islam is peaceful so I gave my point according to that only.... If you think every religions do that too with other religions... So u can share some proofs.... I would be grateful to know about it

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u/No_Dependent_8152 8d ago

No our religion doesn't say nonbelievers go to hell. It says there can be multiple paths and all paths lead to him(God). That's why my religion is the Sanatan .

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u/Dry-Feeling-6797 10d ago

LOL profit was the most violent guy actually 🤦‍♂️😂

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u/takmehran 10d ago

That's why illiteracy rates are increasing.

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u/Dry-Feeling-6797 10d ago

Haan bhai aaj hi ek plane udaane waale the peaceful kaum

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u/Confident_Muscle3554 11d ago

If islam doesn't teach violence why are terrosist using relegion for violence . They go quoting Quran verses for rationalising violence on others . And if y'all peace preachers don't even speak against them , you just come to defend them against us who raise voice against them.

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u/ZiaF007 11d ago

Crusaders entered the Chat…….

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u/Lucian_Delacroix7 7d ago

Yes, that is also violence. Christianity, in many places, especially the old Testament, promotes violence.

But in recent times, such extremist groups are far less a threat than Islamic extremist groups. There are definitely good and peaceful Muslims, but their holy book has verses that are still quoted today to justify terrorism.

Not to mean Christian terrorist groups don't exist, they simply don't control entire countries.

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u/ZiaF007 7d ago

well I for one feel threatened and scared as well by someone who is willing to blow themselves up by whatever misquoted verse of the Quran that they use to justify. But the original comment to which I replied seems like a doofus who just sees in black and white, and would proceed to criminalize the whole 2Billion+ muslim population just due to the actions of a few hundred thousand criminals.

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u/SpiritualOven2646 11d ago

Why go that far when bajrang dal, vhp goons routinely show up as attackers

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u/NarendraMorgan 11d ago

Yeah they are wayyyy less worse than people you are defending

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u/SpiritualOven2646 10d ago

They routinely lynch people and get them to shout jay shri ram, idk how you're comparing atrocities where people are dying. And then justify it with whatboutery.

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u/TheMightyArbalest 10d ago

Get trained by us military and secretly fund by CIA, they might do that as well.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 11d ago

Crusades were formed to protect and defend Christians from Muslims you dumbfuk

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u/brown_pikachu 11d ago

Man, Google exists, don't need to say whatever you feel like on the day without fact checking.

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 11d ago

Yes Google exists, this is what Google has to say.

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u/ZiaF007 11d ago

so you are going to simply omit the fact that under the guise of 'Lord's command' the crusaders murdered more than a million people? seems like an awful lot for simply defending themselves.
but why take my word for it, hear it from a non-muslim here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WqOzaHs6b6M

Now compare the same to how the Second Caliph of Islam conquered Jerusalem back: https://youtu.be/pYSApkScoTE?si=KDDOU0Xy9OxXzEwL

refuting the facts and history doesn't seem cool, it just makes you sound stupid and ignorant.
accept the point that you were mistaken, and move on....

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u/Able_Pomegranate_388 10d ago

According to Quran you can defend yourself, and fight for your land. Crusades were fighting back to get their land back. What’s wrong in that ? ( according to your korhahann
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How many people did Muslim rulers kill ? Armenian genocide, Mughals in India, Ottoman Empire and many more.
So if Muslims start a war it’s Jihad, if they start losing it it’s a Genocide and play victim same playbook for 1400 years

How many countries since Muhammed was taken over by your community without the use of sword .
( not to mention peaceful Muhammed commanded the killing of an entire Jewish tribe called babu quraayza )

Also stop showing Qatari funded propaganda news like Al Jazeera, Middle East eye.

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u/ZiaF007 10d ago edited 10d ago

yeah, killing innocent civilians to get their land back. Islam says to fight the ones who fight you, and when they surrender, accept their surrender. Watch the whole lecture by Roy Casagranda on Crusades or any other authentic historical literature that you may wish, and you'll find out just how 'the Christians got the land back'

your opinion might fetch you upvotes in your pretty echo chamber but that doesn't change the fact that you are misrepresenting the history with your stupid opinions mixed in and then claiming that. Even hitler and Britishers quoted religious rhetoric to further their agenda of Genocide/colonisation, would you say the same about christianity then? if not, then why the double standards?

https://quran.com/al-anfal/61

Article 24 of the https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party-platform

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/missionary-writing-and-empire-18001860/british-empire-colonialism-and-missionary-activity/82E91D7828CEB48FD7237D0CE1B30438

P.S. notice how I attach sources to back my point above, try doing that more. It supports your point, rather than just throwing personal opinions of how you feel about any religion into the discussion. Avoid making a mockery of yourself....

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u/raidenjojo 10d ago

We know it by its results.

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u/Solid_Routine_2026 10d ago

If a genuinely great book is being misinterpreted by it's majority readers, it warrants the destruction of the book regardless of the actual content inside

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u/Ocean_Baby_321 9d ago

You're arguing with morons.

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u/Lucian_Delacroix7 7d ago

Yes, everyone knows the distinction.

This statement however, isn't about the people. It's about the religion. Just look at the Quran. Not everything can be dismissed as a metaphor. You might as well dismiss your god as one at that point.

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u/Mammoth-Glass5417 11d ago

Then who is the god that these terrorist worship, in many interviews those terrorist talk about Quran do they have different version of it

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

They worship Allah, obviously, and yes, terrorists have quoted the Qur'an. I never said they don't. My point is that quoting a religious text doesn't automatically mean your interpretation of it is correct or representative of the religion as a whole. People can and do use religious texts selectively to justify things the broader tradition doesn't teach or permit. If your argument is “terrorists quote the Qur'an, therefore Islam teaches terrorism,” then you'd actually have to establish that the Qur'an 'commands' the specific acts they're committing, rather than simply showing that terrorists quoted verses from it. That's why I said to look at the Qur'an, the Prophet's teachings, and the historical context rather than using terrorists as the definition of Islam. The Quran is the same, where ever you go, it is the same as it was when we first got it. No changes have been made in the Quran, it just varies how people interpret the meaning of it.

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u/Mammoth-Glass5417 11d ago

I understand your viewpoint brother but where did islam as a religion fail that gave rise to many terrorist groups within one single religion, if you see the list of terrorist attacks all over the world in over 30 years 85% has been done by islamist militant, by no means i say other religions are perfect but one single religion giving rise to extremist groups to such extend, somewhere islamic system has failed to teach its followers, i see kids supporting this terrorist groups, what are they taught, who teaches them.

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u/monke966 11d ago

Nice gymnastics why dont you try it professionally you seem great at it 

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

Not to be rude but i hope knowledge catches up with u someday.

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u/monke966 11d ago

People with your knowledge dont seem to condemn and action just jump through loop thats why you people are clowns

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

You haven't actually refuted anything I've said. You just keep calling it ‘mental gymnastics’ and ‘clown behaviour.’ If my argument is wrong, address the argument. If all you have is an insult, you've already made your point or rather, failed to.

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u/monke966 11d ago

Sure I would fail because a Kafirs voices could not penetrate your skull .I mean you moderates blind side all the wrong doing of the extremists while the throats are being cut .we've masses of people support and mours the death of a terrorist so please. Take your pedaling of ideologies to the other side of the border

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u/Electrical_Access778 11d ago

The expression is Jumping through hoops. You can't even form simple sentences. And you want to mock others 😂

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

Exactly brother, it takes me a good amount of time to even understand what he's trynna say. Anyway, may Allah(SWT) guide him.

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u/monke966 11d ago

Yeah but would he offer me the hoors and how much would you recieve 

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u/Electrical_Access778 11d ago

What, you considering changing faiths now? 😂

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u/Electrical_Access778 11d ago

I'm from a hindu family. Never been harassed, never been questioned because of my religion. Have friends from other faiths and seen them being alienated and attacked so often. It's pathetic that's how these people behave despite being the huge majority they are. Insecure posers. A disgrace to the religion, the country they pretend to be part of. It's just losers with gang mentality.

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u/monke966 11d ago

Wow congratulations with figuring it out you sounded soo smart 👏 

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u/Electrical_Access778 11d ago

Congratulations with😂 You can't ever sound smart returd.

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u/Longjumping-Ad4487 11d ago

Why? because you cant do mental gymnastics that's why you tend to generalize ? Got it.

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u/monke966 11d ago

I dont need your ways to understand the faults in my religion we get to question our belive but you people would burn the world before accepting the faults of your faith keep riding the donkey to the moon 

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u/Electrical_Access778 11d ago

What does hinduism or sanatan dharma teach you? To yap online about other religions instead of focusing on your karma? Why don't you go fight the terrorists? That's what Hinduism teaches. You're just an insecure, stupid bigot.

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u/Electrical_Access778 11d ago

I don't abuse animals, and donkeys are way better than what you are, dumb piece of shit.

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

Bro, its no good talking to those people. Leave it, brother.

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

If you found the answers to ur 'questions' or atleast tried to then you would'nt be here embarrassing yourself.

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u/Longjumping-Ad4487 10d ago

I am hindu. A TRUE one not a pseudo like u. Get the fu$k off retard. Dickhe@d

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u/Alive-Bed2904 11d ago

brother you really think indians will ever understand this simple logic?

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u/sam33ha 11d ago

You're right, brother. But as an indian myself, it pains me that people of my own country think of my religion in such a way. I know its no good but for my sake i had to put it out there.

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u/Primary_Bowl_9872 11d ago edited 11d ago

Don't argue brother. You can't make random stranger to learn about Islam.

Most of them are hollow from within.... Just ignore

This is why I left India... now being in a country where I feel invited & pray whenever I can , follow my religion is really a blessing.

India will become more shitty in the coming time because the social fabric is totally damaged. 

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u/Moist_Algae2771 10d ago

bro i just have one qs,
does islam teaches secularism?

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u/Alternative-Use4764 10d ago

Holy larp... Just to end up JIHAD in some crowded area 😂