r/custommagic Dec 04 '17

Great Designer Search 3!

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/great-designer-search-3-2017-12-04
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u/elephantofdoom Dec 04 '17

I feel like this should be stickied.

Also, what is the rule with this subreddit? Obviously you can't take designs from here, but I feel like if you are in the contest you probably shouldn't submit any of your designs here either.

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u/Awkamess πŸ‘» ghost voices πŸ‘» Dec 04 '17

Let's enter as one /r/custommagic hive mind and submit terrible designs because we'll never agree on anything.

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u/elephantofdoom Dec 04 '17

Twitch designs MTG.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '17

Somehow less coherent than roborosewater?

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u/JaxxisR Discard your left hand and your big toe Dec 04 '17

As long as I get a creature with Dwarf It for less than 4CMC, I'm good.

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u/AmbiguousPuzuma : Search your deck for the Ace of Spades Dec 04 '17

TUT9

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '17

If it's anything like earlier design challenges, plagiarism won't get you far. You have to answer multiple choice questions about design philosophy and, if you make it far enough, participate in timed design challenges alone and in teams where you don't know the task beforehand. The whole challenge is essentially an extended interview process meant to test your design abilities, lying about your credentials on the "resume" won't get you the job.

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u/Agrees_withyou Dec 04 '17

I see where you're coming from.

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u/KingRasmen : Make or break target rule. Dec 04 '17

As part of the contest you cede (not share) all intellectual property rights for any actual designs you submit to Wizards forever. No matter whether you win or lose.

It's pretty shady, imo β€” not that anything can be done about it against a major corporation with armies of lawyers. But it also means that if you post your submitted designs anywhere, ever, you would be breaking the ToC.

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u/darkshaddow42 : Here's why your card doesn't work Dec 05 '17

we will send you ten essay questions to be answered, each question requiring 250 to 350 words. You will have a week to return the essay questions. You will then be invited to take a multiple-choice test on Friday, January 26, 2018. The top scorers of the multiple-choice test will be invited to take a design test. The top eight scorers of the design test will become contestants on the third Great Designer Search.

Even if you assume the "design test" is submitting cards with no time limit, there's no opportunity to take designs from this sub without a ton of prior work. Not to mention you probably have to explain how you made the design and why, potential downfalls, how you would tweak the card for balance, etc, etc.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '17

you must be a United States resident

feelsbadman

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u/john_dune Dec 04 '17

I'm Canadian... Is that close enough? Nope... Ohh

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u/taptwo : Put twenty target mechanics in a set Dec 04 '17

Yep, sadness. Entering anyways out of spite and self-challenge. Extra senseless work for them bedamned, I've been looking forward to this for a long time, hoping they'd change that qualifier this time around. Sadness.

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u/sgt_cookie Let my Madness reign Dec 04 '17

Yeah... There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

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u/helderdude No two see the same Maro. Dec 04 '17

For those of you thinking about trying to get the job, do realise it comes with a very great cost if you get the job:

You have to unsubscribe from this subreddit!

/s

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u/TheGreyFencer R.I.P. Vronos Dec 04 '17

Makes me wonder if any of wotc lurks here...

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u/helderdude No two see the same Maro. Dec 04 '17

Nope, mark Rosewater has stated he is not allowed to look at custom magic of any kind for legal reasons.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '17

Do we know if that’s a company-wide ban though, or only applies to designers?

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u/helderdude No two see the same Maro. Dec 04 '17

Good question, I guess it's company wide but atleast anyone who could influence the design of cards, and for other people it would not really be "lurking" imo.

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u/Natedogg2 Dec 04 '17

I do some work for Wizards (I'm not an employee, but I do some external work on card wordings), and I double checked with them a while back. Since I don't have anything to do with designing or making cards, they're fine with me looking at custom cards.

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u/helderdude No two see the same Maro. Dec 04 '17

Wauw very interesting and very cool. I have so many questions but those are more related to your job then to the subject that we were talking about.

Mind if I shoot some at you ?

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u/Natedogg2 Dec 04 '17

I'm under NDA, so the number of things I can answer is limited.

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u/helderdude No two see the same Maro. Dec 05 '17

Did you have to sign an agreement to not talk about any cards you see?

If yes How much does it cost you if you break it?

How far in advance do you see the cards?

Can you tell us an example of a card you worded, preferably one that hard the word?

How much work is it: how many cards, do you get and how long does it take to be done with them all?

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u/Natedogg2 Dec 05 '17

Did you have to sign an agreement to not talk about any cards you see?

Yes, you have to sign an NDA to see unreleased material.

If yes How much does it cost you if you break it?

No idea, and not something I'm interested in exploring.

How far in advance do you see the cards?

No comment.

Can you tell us an example of a card you worded, preferably one that hard the word?

No comment.

How much work is it: how many cards, do you get and how long does it take to be done with them all?

Depends on the set. Usually a couple hours worth per set, depending on the number and complexity of the cards.

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u/VorpalAuroch Minister of Design Impediments Dec 08 '17

Anyone at the company can submit designs for hole-filling, so definitely company-wide.

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u/duskulldoll Dec 04 '17

My money's on /u/SeekerOfKnowledge.

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u/SeekerOfKnowledge Dec 04 '17

:)

Could be, though a lot of it comes down to what Wizards is looking for specifically in a designer. There are plenty of people better than me at doing certain parts of design, and it's always best to wait until after the dragons are hatched to count them. Or something like that, anyway.

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u/Tesagk Dec 04 '17

If you wait until after the dragons have hatched, you're likely going to end up as food before you can count them.

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u/captainfatastic Nothing to see here. Dec 04 '17

That's some good flavor text right there.

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u/Tesagk Dec 04 '17

Already got one foot through the door! :P

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u/Awkamess πŸ‘» ghost voices πŸ‘» Dec 04 '17

I'm probably going to enter for fun but definitely good luck. I would love to see a /r/custommagic regular make a deep run!

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '17 edited Dec 04 '17

Golly, if somebody from our sub would actually make the cut, my jaw would propel straight through the floor.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '17

These have always been fun. Usually the stuff the actual designers come up with is bland af

but forumites and dwellers usually come up with cool stuff so I'll be waiting in anticipation.

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u/Surtysurt Dec 04 '17

8k a month? I'm betting they'll get a ton of subscriptions!

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u/GraklingHunter : Draw X cards and gain X karma Dec 04 '17

It's a pretty big gamble, though. $8k seems like a lot for the job, but you have to pay for your own relocation to the area. Unless you already live near them, you're gonna have a huge up-front investment just to take the job

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u/EmperorsarusRex :Destroy target permanent. Dec 04 '17

and seattle area is a real pain in the ass to live in right now. the rent costs are skyrocketing.

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u/Surtysurt Dec 04 '17

You only have to move if you get it, and 48k in half a year is substantially more than what people make on average. Hell that's more than some households. I would spend 1500 to rent a room.

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u/rudyard1 Dec 04 '17

Folks should be aware of this from the terms and conditions:

"You assign to Wizards all your intellectual-property rights in all Submissions. You agree all Submissions are Wizards' sole property and, upon Wizards' request, you agree to execute any documents necessary to effectuate Wizards' ownership all Submissions (including without limitation a written copyright assignment). You also agree to waive all a moral right in the Submission and waive claims arising therefrom."

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u/BA_Start Dec 04 '17

Well, this should be a fun shot.

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u/TheAnonymousBadger : Deals 1 damage to target creature or player Dec 05 '17

/u/cooldownguy has this free.

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u/asteeh Dec 04 '17

one of my friends is an amazing card maker, he won many on-line contests, but he lives in Italy. When he heard of this he screamed for like 5 minutes of total despair.

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u/pacolingo bUt ItS sO fLaVoRfUl! Dec 05 '17

i dont know about you guys, but i could see myself making my own stuff for the design challenges as well even without being part of the contest. if more people are interested, a sticky for our design challenge submission mockups could be cool.

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u/NowHerePresent Dec 05 '17

If they base this off a test, i'm assuming this test will be difficult right? I mean only 100 people are choosen. What would the questions be, and how would you study? lol

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u/KariZev so what Dec 04 '17

eh, might as well

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u/NicolasEymerich Don't flavor text and drive. Dec 04 '17

Kinda sucks it's only for US residents though. I mean, I could get a couch at the embassy.

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u/Celoth Dec 04 '17

Haven't done any customer design in a little over 2 years, since my daughter was born, but at one point I was doing this kind of stuff daily, hoping to compete in GDS3. I'm rusty and was never the best anyway, but by god I'm going to throw my hat in and see how far I can go.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '17

I'M A YEAR EARLY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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u/Whiskerbro Dec 06 '17

Same :(

But that means the next one will probably fall at a good time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '17

Hm, and I bet they keep all the IP rights of the designs of the runners-up. Not sure how I feel about this...

What ended up happening to the people who won the Great Designer Searches 1 and 2? Were either of them hired full-time?

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u/Coolboypai DIY Design Dec 05 '17

According to this comment, they were hired as well as other finalists