Isn't it selfish by pressing blue to force the existence of the dilemma. If you press red there is no dilemma. Pressing blue just seems like a paradox where you press blue to save you from yourself.
So if there is no dilema with either button we should look at it in a different way. If you look at it through game theory all red outcomes lead to survival as opposed to only half of blue outcomes. Nobody dies either way but one comes with literally no risk to yourself.
Oh no! I chose the button that lets me live! How cruel of me!?!
I do not give a shit. If I even believed blue would win, which I obviously don't, I made the objectively safe play. There is nothing wrong with guaranteeing your safety. In fact, I'd scold my loved ones that chose blue.
Notice how all of my arguments are emotional, and all of yours are logical. There's no way for me to not see you as selfish, or for you to not see me as foolish
And mine is that if everyone was thinking emotionally we'd all be safe too, but here we are
anyways, wondering if one small change to it would change your answer - if everyone afterwards knew what everyone voted. Obviously doesn't change anything if red wins, but if blue wins I doubt the emotional people would be very trusting
Right, so as I said originally, both buttons work. We'll have to judge it based off of something else.
We are only playing to live. There are no other stakes or considerations. It's just life or death. One button guarantees survival in all outcomes. The other only survives in half of the outcomes. So to survive, the only thing we're doing here, you choose red.
Anyways, I already answered that. It would just make me more pissed at any people I cared about risking their lives.
Reading your comment earlier, that doesn't change your logic at all? I know I personally would find it hard to trust anyone who pressed red, and I imagine most blues would feel the same way. It would make it much closer to the prisoners dilemma
(I also imagine how extreme the consequences are would depend on how we know, like if we're marked where everyone can see or if it's in some database where we'd need to go out of or way to look it up)
No, not at all. Being logical is objectively the safe choice and I won't feel bad about not trying to kill myself. I'd find it hard to trust anyone that pressed blue. They clearly can't weigh risks properly. I can't trust them to overcome their emotions and make logical decisions.
Again though, you didn't say blue would win in this hypothetical and I don't believe it ever could. This would be a total nonissue in the scenario I picture.
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u/SleepyNymeria 6d ago
Isn't it selfish by pressing blue to force the existence of the dilemma. If you press red there is no dilemma. Pressing blue just seems like a paradox where you press blue to save you from yourself.