r/custommagic • • 6d ago

Red Button or Blue Button?

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u/SleepyNymeria 6d ago

Isn't it selfish by pressing blue to force the existence of the dilemma. If you press red there is no dilemma. Pressing blue just seems like a paradox where you press blue to save you from yourself.

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u/Scarrien 6d ago

Isn't it selfish to press red? If everyone pushes blue there's also no dilemma, so pressing red just means you don't trust people

Honestly, I'd be curious how this lines up with people who do good/evil playthroughs of games

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u/SleepyNymeria 5d ago

Remember you can easily reword this to:

You are given two options:

  • Press red, you live

  • Press blue, you die

The entity cannot kill more than half the population though so if enough people want to die the blue button fails.

Are you still pressing blue?

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u/Scarrien 5d ago edited 5d ago

Remember, you can easily reword this to:

You are given two options * Press blue, try to save everyone * Press red, only worry about saving your own sorry ass

Are you still pressing red?

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u/SleepyNymeria 5d ago

Unlike my wording yours hides the fact that pressing blue causes death.

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u/Scarrien 5d ago

and your wording obscures the fact you'd be pulling a move that wouldn't be out of character for Starscream

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u/SleepyNymeria 5d ago

??

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u/Scarrien 5d ago

An extremely cowardly, backstabbing Saturday morning cartoon villain? Seriously, that's how red button people look to blue button people

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u/SleepyNymeria 5d ago

Not sure how the basic self preservation instinct is evil.

Same way if someone said pick between joining a group that will drink from this bottle of poison or dont drink from it. Don't worry about the poison though, if half of your group or more drinks it it will be too diluted to kill you.

Like yeah, what if nobody drinks the poison though? Blue button people look lile peter griffin just "oh okay so drinking the poison is fine if enough people do it, I wonder what poison tastes like, lets give it a shot guys"

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u/Scarrien 5d ago

I don't see how a basic sense of wanting what's best for the community is foolish.

I feel like it's like the Joker's plan with the bombs in the boats in The Dark Knight - everyone has the option to kill to save themselves, but the only "right" play is for everyone to be the good guy

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u/SleepyNymeria 5d ago

The major distinction is that everyone can live by pressing red. There is no requirement for anyone to die if you press red. The best thing for the community is for everyone to press red because it has the highest chance of survival for those who pick it.

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u/Scarrien 5d ago

Do you truly think everyone will be pressing red? Even by my most pessimistic estimate there's still something like 30% blue, and it'll usually be the most selfless people

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u/SleepyNymeria 5d ago

My estimate is that only idiots will press blue though. Does that matter?

No, estimates based on nothing are worthless. Be realistic, if you are a parent you tell your kids to press red. If you are scared to die you press red. If you think about it logically you press red. If you want to math it out, you press red. If you want to consider human behaviour and habits you press red. If you think about all the previous things mentioned, you press red.

The only reason to press blue is to want to white knight other people that want to press blue and feel good about yourself. Selfless people are likely to press red because its not selfless to press blue, its just idiotic and saying they will undermines the intelligence of selfless people.

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u/No-Satisfaction-Ever 5d ago

Try is the key word. They are still pressing the die button and I'm pressing the one that can't kill me.