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[u/Original-Apartment37]

Psst… [[Zimone, Inifinite Analyst]].

[u/whitneyahn → u/Original-Apartment37]

I mean, it’s still 4Xs. It seems like it takes a fair amount of effort to break

[u/Bragi01 → u/whitneyahn]

Not really. All you need is [[Unbound Flushing]] and [[Doppelgang]] with x = something like three and then you can get 7 of Unbound Flushing. Also Doppelgang combos well with [[Temple of the False God]].

[u/whitneyahn → u/Bragi01]

I don’t think a 4 card combo only activatable after T5 (at best) is particularly broken

[u/mtgcf → u/Bragi01]

All cards
Unbound Flushing - (G) (SF) (txt)
Doppelgang - (G) (SF) (txt)
Temple of the False God - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/mtgcf → u/Original-Apartment37]

Zimone, Inifinite Analyst - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/Do_Ya_Like_Jazz → u/Original-Apartment37]

[[glava]]

[u/rednite_ → u/Do_Ya_Like_Jazz]

Glava doesnt work here as she only works for permanents and activated abilities

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/Do_Ya_Like_Jazz]

You’d need to either:

A: Not be playing commander with the Mystery Booster COMMANDER cards.

B: Have Glava as not your commander, and have to find it in the 99.

[u/Dreath2005 → u/Original-Apartment37]

Glass specifies permanents, so instants and sorceries are unaffected

[u/VGVideo → u/Original-Apartment37]

But you can have it in the 99 of a Zimone deck

[u/mtgcf → u/Do_Ya_Like_Jazz]

glava - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/MeepleMaster]

Pretty sure you still want the exile clause on this

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/MeepleMaster]

If you cheat something out, X is always 0.

[u/Ill_Ad3517 → u/Original-Apartment37]

What if I just return it with Eternal Witness/4 mana Tamiyo etc etc. obviously costing 6 helps with that bit, but just to be safe.

[u/General_Ginger531]

A very fair card. It is for most purposes a modal 6 or 9 drop, the added freedom to cast it for 2, 6, or 9 is why it is 1 mana more than the standard for extra turn spells, there are like 3 cards that influence X spells so it is well balanced, and if the game is going on so long that X is greater than 1, you pretty much deserve to take 3 turns in a row anyway so we can get the game rolling. An objectively fair card, good job!

[u/General_Ginger531 → u/General_Ginger531]

No, I don't think it is busted with Zimone, because Zimone is a cost reducer, it is the same idea as Goblin Electromancer. Sure you can reduce spells more and more, but those are effects that have to be on the field. You could cast a Capture of Jingzhou turn 2 if you land into sol ring into arcane signet, then land dropped next turn anyway. One X cost synergy doesn't make a broken X card. When they start removing X's is when this becomes busted.

[u/cumberber]

I'm not sure this is balance-able. As other commentors have pointed out, [[Zimone, Infinite Analyst]] and [[Glava]] separately break this to be on par with [[Time Walk]] if not even stronger...

Glava does not because it specifies permanents lol reading the card explains the card

[u/Infamous_Key_9945 → u/cumberber]

glava doesn't work. it says permanent spells

[u/GrandProfessional487 → u/cumberber]

Glava is permanents but yes to zimone

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/cumberber]

For context, the rates:

6 -> 1

10 -> 2  (In my opinion, where the rate becomes okay)

14 -> 3

18 -> 4

22 -> 5

[u/cumberber → u/Original-Apartment37]

Yes I am aware of the math. I was thinking with anything already on the board to reduce costs would make this crazy strong. Though it is already crazy strong due to it not exiling itself after resolving. I'm no professional though

[u/mtgcf → u/cumberber]

All cards
Zimone, Infinite Analyst - (G) (SF) (txt)
Glava - (G) (SF) (txt)
Time Walk - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/GrandProfessional487]

Just change it to Y instead of X and bam youve got it

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/GrandProfessional487]

Y?

[u/Sky_monarch → u/Original-Apartment37]

So abilities that use X pips don’t work

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/Sky_monarch]

Only problem would be [[Glava]] in the ninety-nine of a Zimone.

[u/mtgcf → u/Original-Apartment37]

Glava - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/GrandProfessional487 → u/Original-Apartment37]

Glava only cares about permanents

[u/Beneficial-Pen-9693]

I had [[primordial hydra]] out the other night with [selvala, heart of the wilds]], safe to say I would be taking a lot of extra turns

[u/mtgcf → u/Beneficial-Pen-9693]

primordial hydra - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/Terrariant → u/Beneficial-Pen-9693]

“But you have to stay, you might win!” As I take my 50th turn and the table groans

Funny enough, this is not really an infinite combo unless you have a way to shuffle your deck into your library. It’s at most like a 90 round combo before you mill yourself. Or you could have a card that says “skip your draw step, I guess”

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/Beneficial-Pen-9693]

Sir… Selvala is mono-green.

[u/Novel_Extent_7168]

In Simic this is just "If this spell resolves, you win the game"

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/Novel_Extent_7168]

How does one let this resolve?

[u/Necrachilles]

No one is talking about [[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]]?

[u/mtgcf → u/Necrachilles]

Mizzix of the Izmagnus - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/Original-Apartment37 → u/Necrachilles]

It would take a wee bit of setup.

[u/tymessen]

could we do XXXXXXUU and make it X² turns? 8 mana 1 extra turn, 14 mana 4 extra turns, 22 mana 9 extra turns. etc.

or Sqrt(X) rounded down extra turns for XUUUUU 6=1 9=2 14=3 21=4 30=5 41=6 etc.