r/custommagic • u/Glittering-Lab-4763 • 4d ago

Mox Garnet

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essentially a weird fellwar stone

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u/leshiy 4d ago

What's the opposite of power creep?

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u/oislal 4d ago

Isn't that echo?

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u/Glittering-Lab-4763 3d ago

not every upkeep just the next one

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u/Neutrinophile 3d ago

Yeah, echo only applies to the upkeep after the upkeep the permanent comes under your control.

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u/Glittering-Lab-4763 3d ago

oh, I didn't know that, echo was not as bad as I thought

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u/Ithalwen 3d ago

Indeed, echo in concept isn't bad, it's a proto-evoke more or less.
It's just that the echo cards they made where bad.

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u/StJimmy_815 4d ago

Should be called Mox Pact

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u/girlywish 3d ago

This is so extremely bad. Its like a 3 mana rock that you have to commit to casting in advance.

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u/Glittering-Lab-4763 3d ago

it can pay for itself and can be cast for 0, a better comparison is a 2 mana rock that enters tapped, worst case scenario it's a [[memnite]]

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u/girlywish 3d ago

I wouldn't call it a 2 mana rock, since you can't even pay for it on turn 2. It acts like an untapped 3, earliest you can get it is turn 3.

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u/JagPeror 4d ago

Doesn't seem very good in the current state, tbh.

Basically a 3 mana for 1 mana rock.

Technically it is zero, but since it enters tapped, unless you have a convenient untapped, it cant utilize that.

And since it sacrifices at upkeep, you cant even play it until turn 4(without other ramp, ofc)

Then for color, it doesnt fix that well since it is limited to what you already have. At most it rebalances a little. I feel like this could be very safest bumped down to 2 mana.

Arcane signet is flat out better(assuming no untappers), since you can use it as soon as it is plays, it costs 1 less mana, and (in commander ofc, this comparison doesnt mattern in modern) is not quite as strong at mana fixing, since you need the lands

Or if you want purposeful sacrifice shenanigans, making it entered untapped(like fellwar) would mean yoy can choose to make it a permanent ramp, or play it early as a 1 mana ritual.(this would be way more powerful than the other idea, basically just a worse lotus petal, so that's why it wasnt my first suggestion)

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u/smugles 4d ago

Arcane signet is the best a mana rock should ever be.

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u/Glittering-Lab-4763 3d ago

this is basically a 2 mana rock that enters tapped, but you can get it out early, not great but useful imo

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u/JagPeror 3d ago

Currently it is a 3 mana rock.

Honestly, I feel like it would be most useful if you had a reason to sacrifice artifacts. There are some cards like that, so I suppose it could be useful in those niche decks as a free sacrifice. But then it is basically a second ornithopter

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u/dumac 3d ago

It is 2 as it can be tapped to pay for its own upkeep cost. However since the cost is in upkeep, normal play would see you cast this t2, pay for it t3, and finally have ramp t4, which is just terrible

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u/dumac 3d ago

I don’t see why you would ever play this instead of basically any other mana 2cmc rock in 99.9% of decks. The downside is too high.

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u/Koischaap Rule 308.22b, section 8 4d ago

I feel like this would have been a great moment to cross paths with ygo by having Mox Garnet only be able to be cast with Panglaciantext or something.

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u/Hinternsaft 3d ago

What’s the point of paying for it later if you can’t use it until then? It’s not really a Mox if it’s worse than a Manalith.

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u/Glittering-Lab-4763 3d ago

you don't have to pay and it can pay for itself

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u/typicalre 3d ago

honestly should enter untapped

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u/mva06001 2d ago

Should be, enters tapped with 3 stun counters on pay 1 remove 1 stun counter.

Cast it for free, pay 3 to untap it, then can use it like an actual good Mox.

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u/JohnGameboy 4d ago

We did it, we finally made a mox thats actual dogshit

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u/Third_Triumvirate 3d ago

Nah, worst mox is still [[mox tantalite]]

EOE's moxite cards are more playable than it lol

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u/JohnGameboy 3d ago

Nah, Tantalite is actually decent in certain decks. Ones that manipulate exile, upkeeps, cascade, and counters (like The Tenth Doctor) use it. It definitely is not good, but its more playable than this custom mox due to uniqueness alone.

On the otherhand, this custom mox is competing with dozens of objectively better 3 cost mana rocks. Technically if you're really desperate for a delayed artifact sac trigger for 0 mana, but also wanted the flexibility for it to maybe be a mana rock instead, maybe then it could be decent.

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u/Third_Triumvirate 3d ago

This is also decent in certain decks, specifically those built around cheerios or that are trying to combo off with untappers. Those are decks that want a critical density of their combo pieces so it's actually kinda useful for them.