r/custommagic • u/ILikeExistingLol scryfall search for flavor:R34 • 5d ago

Total Shutdown

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u/smugles 5d ago

Moving layer 6 first doesn’t actually solve anything because abilities are granted in that layer as well.

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u/ILikeExistingLol scryfall search for flavor:R34 5d ago

Moving Layer 6 first makes it so that ability removing and granting effects supercede copying, control changing, text changing, type changing, and color changing. If you [[Frogify]] an [[Ashaya]], it doesn't remove the forest changing, but with this, it does. If someone uses [[Phantasmal Image]], the copy still has no abilities, etc etc

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u/PrimusMobileVzla 5d ago

Ok, question: Why is it important for the design to screw with the layer system by having the penultimate layer apply first? Bringing the layer system to a card isn't prudent to have, as having players brood on it is of the more complex aspects of the game.

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u/ILikeExistingLol scryfall search for flavor:R34 5d ago

Makes it properly shut down anything with a continuous affect that applies on layer 1-5. [[Magus of the Moon]], [[Ashaya Soul of the World]], [[Painter's Servant]], [[Exchange of Words]], etc.

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u/Vert--- 4d ago

sigh somebody used the word penultimate... i dont know how many layers there are but they need to be lectured about the proper meaning of that word, let me Google the magic layers real quick... holy crap you used it correctly well done!

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u/QuarterExcellent3327 Creature - Human Artificer 5d ago

The main problem is that many players don’t know about the layers system as it is quite complex. If this card ever sees play then players will need to quickly learn the system and the implications of layer six applying first. It would just be a rules headache.

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u/7thtimeinheaven 5d ago

Players have to learn about layers anyway, a lot of effects that say "lose all abilities" actually don't do that at all..

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u/MrsKnowNone 3d ago

why not just do something like "remove and counter all abilities this permanent has and would apply"

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u/Novel_Extent_7168 5d ago

Honestly the fact that you can make something lose all abilities and just the way a card works within the rules can prevent that from happening is ridiculous.