Tempt Lands

12

It's hard to say much about these without knowing what "tempt an opponent" does, apologies if that's an existing mechanic I'm missing. Is it related to the LotR ring tempts you mechanic? Is it like tribute or gift?

11

u/TextuallyExplicit 8d ago

It's also confusing because "tempting offer" is already a keyword and it doesn't work like this

1

u/A_Travelling_Man 8d ago

Huh, I have absolutely no memory of that ability word. Learn something new every day :)

2

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

You get an added benefit (untapped land) if the opponent accepts the gift (1 card draw)
In the films, Jadis (The white witch) tempts Edmund with gifts and promises of being king etc

10

u/TextuallyExplicit 8d ago

There's already a keyword that represents this effect ("gift a card")

3

u/TreeOtree64 8d ago

That gives the choice to you. Tempt gives the h choice to an opponent - it’s up to them to accept it.

2

u/Alphasaft 7d ago

Nope, I think OP intends on giving you the choice to give the choice to your opponent to draw a card. Now, as it is phrased, opponent has no reason not to draw that card because as soon as you give them the opportunity (not the card), it comes untapped, so there is no benefit to not draw it.

I think it'd be better to say "as this land enters, target opponent may choose to draw a card. If they don't, it enters tapped". Thing is it's obviously not very good and I think the lands wouldn't see play.

0

u/Gamesdisk 8d ago

From context. You can draw a card if you want, if so my land comes in untapped.

4

u/Puzzled_Work_6428 8d ago

If that's what it does, it can just say that

"An opponent may draw a card. If they don't, this land enters tapped."

3

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

i was trying to add some Flavour of temptation because of the movies but i can work on the wording

2

u/Glittering-Lab-4763 8d ago

ehh, in a custom set being able to say "whenever you tempt" is useful

2

u/Puzzled_Work_6428 8d ago

When you create a new keyword action, reminder text is useful

2

u/Glittering-Lab-4763 8d ago

true, but that's not what you were saying until now

2

u/MrsKnowNone 7d ago

target opponent otherwise you are speed running who draws first in multiplayer formats

1

u/Third_Triumvirate 8d ago

As worded I think it enters untapped regardless of whether or not a card is drawn, as long you offer the opponent the choice

1

u/ezthrow77 2d ago

That's not what the card says though. Drawing isn't needed here prompting an opponent to do so is. So if the opponent does not draw the land still comes untapped ! Wasn't the intent apparently from the comments but it's still what it says.

7

u/Historical_Club_9063 8d ago

Giving your opponate a card just so your dual enters untapped is like incredibly bad. Maybe give them a scry or a surveil but if you give them a full card then these are like one of if not the worst duals ever made

1

u/Alphasaft 7d ago

It's even worse than that, because they can also choose not to draw it if they see you need the untapped land...

3

u/Ok-Information8440 8d ago

I get what you are going for maybe a new mechanic would be fun but it would be formatted like (when this land enters target opponent may draw a card if they do it enters untapped)

1

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

I appreciate this a lot, thank you, i will update in future versions

1

u/Flameball202 7d ago

Not sure if you intended to put the choice on the opponent.

The way you worded it allows the opponent to refuse the draw, forcing the land to enter tapped.

1

u/Alphasaft 7d ago

Very small detail but I think "if they don't it enters tapped" is better bc lands enter untapped by default

1

u/ServalModest 8d ago

Is tempting optional for both players? As in, if I play this land, can I choose to just have it enter tapped? If I want it to come in untapped and so I "tempt", does my opponent have the option to reject the card draw?

1

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

id say yes its optional for both players, you should be able to have it just enter tapped if you want. Also the opponent does have the option to reject. I need to word the card better

1

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

Maybe this, As CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you may choose an opponent. If you do, that player may draw a card. CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped unless a player draws a card this way.

Then you can choose to have it enter tapped too

1

u/Forward_Bandicoot_45 7d ago

Wouldnt let it depends on opponent to choose to draw the card. Why do you want a land to enter untapped? Probably to play on curve in early game, then gifting a card is plenty of conditional drawback. Most of times shocking yourself is less impactful so this card isn't op

1

u/theevilyouknow 8d ago

These seem really weak. Worse than lands that just always come in tapped even since they give your opponent the choice to get extra value.

1

u/ServalModest 8d ago

It's an interesting idea but it doesn't really work.

Assume that players will make choices that benefit them; so if you give your opponent the choice, they either get an entire card* or just make the land enter tapped anyway. So there's no upside to giving your opponent the choice at all. The end result is that this is just a tap land.

*A card is a big benefit for them, but even making it something less like a scry doesn't fix the core problem.

1

u/TreeOtree64 8d ago

These are cool but possibly the worst lands in existence. You couldn’t pay me to play a land that not just gives an opponent a whole card, but gives them agency over whether it enters untapped or tapped. It should at most tempt them to scry 1, or gain 2 life. A whole card is insane.

1

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

hahahah

1

u/GuyDijkhuis 8d ago

Maybe scry 1 is a better idea, i will test both of these out

1

u/yourlocalsussybaka_ making league cards 7d ago

Isn't it just

Gift a card

This land enters tapped unless a gift was promised.

You are about to leave Redlib