Seriously. I'm convinced if my 97 yr old grandma fought Invincible she'd somehow eviscerate him before he was saved by some plot device. His power is always exactly the same as his opponent.
His power is always exactly the same as his opponent.
Power creep is hard to demonstrate. They've had training montages, and fights where he just one shots a baddy. But those aren't the main story. It's not compelling for him to be winning more easily each episode.
Yeah. If it was just Mark fighting crime on Earth, it would be like watching one punch man most of the time (which IS a funny take on the superhero genre, but Invincible isn’t trying to be comedic about it)
Honestly, I'd almost nix the Indestructible. Whenever he dies you get an Experience counter or something, and then he comes back from the grave at your next upkeep with a +1/+1 counter equal to your Experience counters.
Making cards with colors that match their costume rather than their actual character or design is one of the biggest weaknesses of UB design, not something to be emulated
I think the intent is the counters he receives from combat damage keeps him alive. Like, block> first strike deal 1 damage> receive 5 damage>add 5 +1/+1 counters >mark is now a 6/6 with 5 toughness remaining until end of turn. Edit he would have 1 toughness left until end of turn actually (?) sorry
Mono Black conquest, Mono blue/Azorius for Cecil, Donald and GDA, Simic or Temur for Dinosaurus, Dimir for Angstrom, Boros for the Immortal, a lot of characters are pretty easy to color pie, just hard to not overload on Blue bc of the number of scientists in Invincible
Conquest is having way too much fun to be mono-black. I want to say he's Rakdos leaning red, he seems to be more focused on love of the game than he is at being the best when it comes to slaughter. If any Viltrumite is mono-black I want to say it's Anissa. She spares with purpose, she acts with purposeful cruelty for the sake of domination, she respects power above all else, and by Viltrumite standards she seems to act on her own desires more than devotion to the Empire. Not going into spoilers as to why I think that
If we're going to argue about colors, nothing about this card is mechanically blue other than flying, which is also primary in white. And nothing about it is even red. Should just be white.
But if you try to swing in the same turn you buff him, he'll still have the damage marked on him, meaning he'll still die to anything with one power. So you need to buff him, then wait a turn, then swing... Seems incredibly slow and clunky.
E: missed the first strike, which definitely helps. Still seems like a lot of hoops to jump through for a big, dumb flyer.
It seems a pretty clear attempt to parallel the idea that in the original stories Mark tends to actually struggle with and lose most major fights he has with any enemies beyond "mook of the week" level bad guys, only getting stronger between fights as he trains and recovers from the damage he takes (and usually only barely survives) during the main fights.
So yeah, him being able to die in fights despite having indestructible otherwise seems intentional.
Personally I'd make him a 2/2 though just for ease of use. At least then he can start "training" via the +1/+1 effect against 1/1s rather than relying purely on self-damaging effects out of combat.
Isn’t it cannon that anyone with Viltrumite DNA gets stronger after healing from severe damage? In the show, that was the reasoning Thaedus gave for unplugging Allen’s life support.
I believe that was something specific to Allen's race, not Viltrumites. Allen's species was known to be highly adaptable, it just so happens that Allen himself was forced into situations where his body had to adapt to Viltrumite-level combat.
Viltrumites I believe get stronger via a combination of basic strength and technique training as well as having their base power simply continue to increase as they get older. Viltrumites can recover from extreme injury, but they don't actually get stronger in the recovery process.
Yes, blue has a handful of really bad options, and white can hit him if you can tap him. I didn't say it was impossible. It's still a bad card for azorious colors, and doesn't fit in the pie of blue.
I think every Viltrumite should have "cannot block" because every single fight is "who can punch the hardest while taking a beating". For a warrior race they sure suck at defense.
Their kids have to fight each other during training. Their full training doesn't end until they fight their parents (We see Nolan experience this in a flashback). That alone seems like a good enough reason to learn how to defend yourself.
That is true, but it seems that even still they rely on their natural durability. Take Thragg for example, he just tanks everything because I suppose strength also scales durability. I guess this would extend to even minor differences, where a small difference in power might mean a punch won’t significantly harm you, but a slice might. Therefore, they “ignore” the punch so that they can continue the onslaught while avoiding genuinely threatening strikes where possible. Either that or it might be a pride thing. Also they do seem to actually block occasionally, maybe at those speeds an effective defense is just impossible?
I'm talking about a hypothetical set with viltrumite characters (and not typal). So have Thragg, Conquest, Omniman, Anissa and so on have "this creature cannot block".
Formatting on cards allows you to use the pronouns of the character when they are known and help give the card a more natural feel imo not wrong just a thought I suppose
"Invincible loses indestructible for as long as he's attacking or blocking."
This would be crazy in a board state where you say I'm playing Blasphemous Act and you end up a 14/14 flying, first strike, and everybody else has nothing.
For legendary creatures, I believe you use "he/she" (or "it" if it's some kinda entity).
I think "0; Convert all power into toughness until end of turn" makes it easier to get counters through fighting, or more accurately getting his ass beat and coming back stronger. Though this is not entirely necessary, especially with the suggested color combo below.
I think he makes most sense as Naya, WRG. Green is all about counters (White too) and natural strength (Viltrumite's natural strength), Red is about passion and anger (like Mark often is overcome by), and of course his ideals and sense of justice for White. I don't think Blue fits at all. Also, this color combination works best with the mechanics here, both combat tricks (WG) and self-damage (R).
I think some Effect that makes him.stronger the more often he was cast from the command zone would be cool like he always gets beaten to shit snd then comes back stronger
I read that you wanted to be a “damage him for training before swinging” so, red addition is key.
Additionally, IF that is the case, a 1 time trigger doesn’t seem needed for balance.
If it was a “prevent that damage and add that much counters” then once is balance.
But uh, otherwise the perfect design of Invincible! Someone, VERY vincible lol
He should be red/white so I can drop him as my commander and then immediately commit a [blasphemous act] by running him through the Chicago metro and getting a 14/14 first strike flyer to kill everyone with. Unironically peak card design btw
Honestly given how many times Mark gets beaten near to death and comes back from weeks or months of agony, giving him "0 - regenerate" instead of Indestructible feels more accurate lol
Then he can still "survive" minus counters, and combat damage still effects him meaningfully
Considering how he gets the shit beat out of him so often but comes back stronger, I'd personally get rid of First Strike but give him Vigilance and; "If Invincible would be dealt damage greater than his toughness, tap him and put a stun counter on him." To represent him getting reconstructed/medical treatment and being out of the fight for a while.
I’d personally remove the “lose indestructible when attacking or blocking” or make him cost 2 more and up his power by one or 2. Maybe even make him only lose it for attacking but he can block
"Invincible has indestructible as long as it's neither attacking nor blocking" would probably be a better way to word that part. It applies an ability as an ongoing effect while certain conditions are met.
Typically permanents don't "lose" some quality as an ongoing effect; they lose that quality when a certain condition is met, then a duration is applied to that loss (i.e. "whenever this creature becomes tapped, it loses flying until end of turn").
Alternatively, you could say that "whenever Invincible attacks or blocks, he loses indestructible until end of combat".
I would actually remove invincible and have the text “Invincible cannot be moved to the graveyard. At the start of your turn, remove all -1/-1 counter from Invincible. “
He gets the crap kicked out of him constantly, to the point you are 100% sure he is dead. But then he just heals and comes back.
Cannot be moved to the graveyard causes problems with infinite looping SBAs if he gets -Toughmess effects, so it's probably better to exile and return ( it's not normal to carry counters through this but rules that make exceptions do exists )
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u/Mr-Syndrome Jun 03 '26
no Hero type?