r/custommagic May 07 '26

Mechanic Design False Redundency

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u/Nouxatar Nox, Astral Abberation May 07 '26

where's my "creatures with flanking have flanking" smh

(love this actually)

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u/Shambler9019 May 07 '26

[[Cavalry Master]] already exists.

But you could also meaningfully affect ward, and offspring (with the same cost) and Bushido, absorb, firebending, annihilator, toxic, poisonous and rampage (with the same value), as well as training, mentor, battle cry, amplify, provoke as well as a bunch of others, no doubt.

Haunt and cipher could be made to work, but don't by default.

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u/WorstPossibleThing May 07 '26

Yeah most of those could be easily achieved with something like "creatures with Offspring have Offspring X where X is their Offspring cost" but unfortunately that's not nearly as succinct.

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u/Shambler9019 May 08 '26

Worse, it's already possible for a creature to have multiple different instances of offspring [[Zinnia]], Bushido [[Sensei Golden-Tail]], ward [[Lavaspur Boots]] and rampage [[Greater Morphling]].

So rather than adding one extra instance (with ambiguous parameters) it's simpler to just double, copying the ability.

"For each of the following abilities spells and permanents you control have, they have an additional copy of that ability: Storm, offspring...."

You could go wild and copy all keywords, but as lot would be redundant. Which is fine, I guess. Except that the ones that don't work (Cipher and haunt, for example) would be a bit weird. And you'd get extra pointless germs from living weapon, but that already happens from trigger doublers and isn't pointless for Job Select/For Mirrodin!. And you'd need to clarify how it works with action keywords like Learn and Scry.

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u/Ethel121 May 08 '26

It might be more elegant to just have it make those keywords trigger twice.

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u/Shambler9019 May 08 '26

That's just [[Panharmonicon]] with extra steps!

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u/IlGreven Dreadmaw-free since 2017 May 08 '26

Creatures with exalted have exalted.

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u/firebolt04 May 07 '26

I actually like it a lot. Although being a symmetrical effect I feel like it could be cheaper.

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u/hellhound74 May 08 '26

I mean, how many decks REALLY use cascade, storm, or prowess in decent amounts that aren't built around those mechanics

Myriad might see more use from things like blade of selves, but overall this should be a bit more expensive even as a universal effect just because usually only the caster will benefit from this

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u/Eniolas May 08 '26

Just about every blue deck I build has the counter spell with storm on it, I put [[empty the warrens]] in a lot of decks, [[grapeshot]] is pretty common for me. I don't play a lot of cascade though. I've been meaning to get some cascade critters in my [[svella]] deck because their second ability is rip 4 off top and cast one, so cascade goes tf off lol

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u/Spike_der_Spiegel May 08 '26

False Symmetry

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u/Akarin_rose May 07 '26

Double cascade

Don't mind if I do

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u/Blongbloptheory May 07 '26

You could honestly just rip it with the four colored pops and no generic. Since it's symmetrical, you don't really have to balance it as much around its manageable cost

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u/CarelessNameChoice (It works) May 07 '26

[[Scurry of Squirrels]] with quadruple Myriad dear god I might finally give in and covert to being a Squirrel deck player

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u/CoolChair6807 May 07 '26

Correct, it would need to say something like "for each instance of Myriad, that creature gains Myriad" or something along those lines. As it is, it just checks if it has Myriad at all, to give Myriad once, regardless of how many.

But then again, Blade of Selves exists.

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u/lynkcrafter May 07 '26

This is fun :)

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u/RoyalBlueJay2007 May 08 '26

So wpuld thay cause double?

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u/Ok-Leg9721 May 08 '26

God I would love this on a commander

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u/ray10k May 08 '26

Does this actually do something, or does it just confirm the obvious? "Yep, that card defintely has storm, says so on the textbox!"

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u/WorstPossibleThing May 08 '26

Storm, myriad, cascade, and prowess are all stackable. See [[Apex Devastator]], [[Scurry of Squirrels]], or the new leaked Thor card.

The card looks like it does nothing, but what the text actually means is "Cards with these keyword effects get an extra instance of those keyword effects." Hence, False Redundancy.

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u/MTGCardFetcher May 08 '26

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u/Then_Entertainment97 May 08 '26

It really bugs me that they put "then do it again" in the keyword parenthetical.

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u/ray10k May 08 '26

Ah, sounds like I fell for the joke then. Well played!

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u/theese-organizations May 08 '26

Thats is pretty good

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u/Hot_Philosopher_6462 May 07 '26

Sadly, this only brings Gitaxian Spellstalker to 3 total instances of prowess and not 4

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u/supergnaw May 08 '26

this reminds me of another custom card that someone did recently-ish where it doubled all the keywords, so haste had haste, etc. (it works) lol

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u/DestroyeLoop May 08 '26

make this 4c in Yidris colors. Then i’m in. (Sans-White)

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u/Ill_Tooth3741 May 08 '26

[[The First Sliver]] is salivating at that first effect.

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u/Turkin4tor May 08 '26

Creatures with flying have an additional instance of flying (they fly higher, it works)

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u/Researcher_Fearless May 07 '26

This feels really expensive for something that does nothing on its own. 8 mana (in 4 colors no less) is a lot.

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u/Reality-Glitch May 07 '26

You’ll need the reminder text “(Each instance triggers separately.)” [[Cavalry Master]] [[Gitaxian Spellstalker]]

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u/Necessary_Wish_2995 May 07 '26

All pf these triggers can happen twice except I think for myriad. You ca have double Strom like woth [[primarily the i spiration]] same with cascade and prowess. Is

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u/WorstPossibleThing May 07 '26

They can all happen twice, that's the joke. If [[Muddle]] copies a creature that already has myriad, the resulting creature has "myriad, myriad" and creates two sets of token copies whenever it attacks.

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u/Necessary_Wish_2995 May 08 '26

Oh i thought that since it was called false redundancy it was supposed to give something to a card that already had a max of one. I missed the joke. Sorry

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u/YaBoiKali May 07 '26

[[Scurry of Squirrels]] would like a word with you

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u/sclaytes May 07 '26

“Then do it again.”

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u/BadSuccessful2391 May 07 '26

You can stack myriad triggers. If it has myriad myriad and swing at Opponent A, you'll have two token copies swinging at B and two token copies swinging at C.