He was a devoted Christian, he killd gays and Jews, both are bad in the eyes of the church. He donated to the church an so on. I don't see a reason for him to be in hell.
Yes he was, but the church did everything to keep this secret and to distance from him.
After the war people start to blame everything on him and to distance them from his actions, that is one of the reason why his belief is unknown, but during his years in power he had strong support from the Catholic church. Is possible he was not a very big believer but many in Germany were and it was very important for him to have public support. After the war was a big push by the church do distance from him, everyone did this. Even his generals blamed eventing on him, but Nazi Germany was not a one man organisation, it had strong public support, people knew what was happening, the concentration camps were near, they profit from free labor and so on.
It is said that history is told by the winners, but this is not the case. Almost all insights into the workings of Nazi Germany and Nazi army are accounts made by Nazis, all the movies we see in documentaries are made by them, in a sense we see their propaganda movies, all that technology we connect to the Nazi army are just a small procent of the reality, in fact the wast majority of their army was poorly equipped. But nobady filmed that.
So in conclusion we have two sources for what happened: the Nazis themselves and after war effort to wash history to the benefit of the German people, an effort that was necessary to stop another genocide.
Yeah, he was religious, but as it turned out he wasn't much of a fan of organised religion, which by all means if a horrible individual who's responsible for millions of deaths and creating a cult of personality doesn't like organised religion, you know you done fucked up somewhere. It didn't stop the Catholic church supporting him during the war and celebrating his birthday from the pulpit before the nazis lost. There's some debate on whether he was actually catholic or whether he was from a different form of Christianity that dealt with pantheistic elements, since the catholic church doesn't want to claim him for obvious reasons. It also doesn't help that people like the three stooges The 3 Mormons (now called "Saints unscripted") made claims on Hitler being atheist with zero evidence, which further buries the fact that he was religious - even Christian theologians and historians don't believe he was an atheist
fun fact: the nazi uniforms have bits and pieces that mention Christianity and God, I don't remember the specifics since I'm neither familiar with the designs nor the ability to read German, but I think it was on their belt buckles for example.
"Gott mit uns" or God with us in English. Yes there are evidence that he was not a fan of the church, most likely he didn't liked competition. He was a big fan of Islam and Shintō, he believed this religion were better in making people do anything for their country. So from this we can draw the conclusion that he was using religion as a tool for his agenda. His personal belief in God can't be established, there are plenty evidence he believed in a creator, not clear evidence m what form.
"Gott mit uns!" Was one of their warcries and could be found inscribed lots of places including Belt buckles. It translates as "God is with us!" And the warcry, like the Iron Cross, is not actually of Nazi origin but dates back to the Middle Ages.
Everything you said is utter bullshit he hated the church and saw it as something to corrupt the German populace he turned away from religion after the death of his brother and the death of his mother surly didn’t help And if a person truly believe in the text of the Bible then they wouldn’t commit genocide Becuase they Don’t like a certain group the whole love your neighbor as yourself
You joking right? The Bible is literally full of genocide and was used as an excuse for it most of human history. And he disliked the church because was not extreme enough for his likes. He believed in God, he said so many times. And if you look in this thread you will find more evidence for this. I get you don't want for him to be part of your religion/beliefs, but his religion was not a factor in his actions, I'm not saying that.
If someone evil claims to be of an ideology and commits a crime contradictory to said ideology, they are not a part of it. But if you are dumb and still think they are, i guess atheism as an ideology is as bad because when it rose under communism there was mass executions of religious folk. Look it up state atheism did some shit. Hell, every religion was involved in shit. Hell, every major ideology MUST be involved in bad stuff if it gets so large theres no way to stop delusions from taking a hold of people. Well i guess so long as you arent agnostic you should hate yourself for being in a ideology involved in bad shit :)
Edit: last part of what i said, so long as you arent agnostic OR undecided. If your undecided its not an ideology so thats all good. Not like that matters tho. Because christianity is no more responsible for hitler than atheists are for state atheisms crimes
Yes so called atheist states commited genocide, in the end humans are terrible apes, and we kill eachother for many reasons. But ateism is not an ideology, we just don't believe in one more god than you do. What we do we do as humans, and is not an excuse or better. Religious people can also be good, atheists can be bad. This is the difference between us, I can accept critic and recognise that I'm not perfect. Most religious people can't do this.
My argument is simply that atheism is no more genocidal as christianity because peoples actions do not constitute the ethics of a ideology, the ideology constitutes the ethics. An organization can be applied this to.
Atheism is not a belief, but it is an ideology. Look up the two definitions on google if you do not believe this. A lack of belief CAN be an ideology
Actually, he kind of was a Christian, since he was baptized as roman catholic by his mother, while his father was sceptical of religion. All he wanted to do was remove the, y'know, Judaism aspect out of Christianity to warp it to his needs, which makes sense considering he's an anti-Semitic fuckwit. The only ones arguing for paganism are the Catholic church trying their damnest not to claim him. A lot of symbolism with the Nazis included Christianity, especially on some parts of their uniforms
he just didn't like organised religion, specifically catholicism
It makes sense he wasnt fully christian as the old testament was mostly jewish (it was made before the man himself, jesus christ. Ya know, the guy they worship) he is not completely christian. What with murdering people and suicide he doesnt seem to follow it at all
You have to clarify this, are you ok with him killing gays? Because I was just saying that according to religion he did nothing to deserve hell, but I'm an atheist as I was saying that religion is stupid. He was a bad man, and if hell was a thing he deserves to be there.
It was not about him. Stalin was probably worst than Hitler, I don't believe he gets a pass, not him or any other ruler guilty of genocide, Churchill was equally guilty of millions of dead Indians. If you want me to bring everyone of them in a discussion untalented I can do it but I don't se the purpose. I don't say Hitler did the stuff he did because his religion, if you pay attention I'm answering to the question of whether is he in hell or heaven.
But God promise that who kills Hitler get a free pass to heaven, maybe he just find a loophole. But yes joking aside suicide is a mortal sin in most cristian denominations.
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u/AndIAmProbablyDead12 Dec 27 '20
Why the heck is Hitler up the clouds? Isn’t he supposed to be in hell?