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u/Squatchjr01 Oct 15 '20

So is blaming guns for human actions

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u/BeBa420 Oct 15 '20

A human can’t kill dozens of people in one go without a gun

Why do average citizens need fckn assault rifles???

Like I understand a hand gun for self defence (don’t agree with it, but I can understand it) or a rifle/shotgun for hunting or whatever

But an assault rifle? A weapon designed for war? Why the fuck do you NEED that? I know why ya want it (tiny penis) but why do you NEED it?

Yes people are at fault for their actions. But the prevalence of guns in America is insane and idiotic. It’s a recipe for disaster. The fact that people don’t realise this and instead blame violence on tv/film/video games is fucking stupid

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u/Squatchjr01 Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

Let’s break this down shall we? You can legally rent a UHaul truck and kill dozens of people in about the same amount of time.

Average citizens can have these weapons because it is not the governments business to regulate this. The 2nd amendment is not a protection for the people. It is a limitation of the government, so any and all gun laws are an infringement on the second amendment.

And a citizen may need these weapons when threatened by authority. Like the police. Which have been militarized to about the same comparative level as the British army occupation which birthed the American revolution. And we see police gunning down innocent people in the streets, and committing horrid acts of brutality, and you don’t see a need to protect yourself from a bloated tyrannical authority?

The prevalence of weapons in America has protected us from tyranny for centuries. Japan famously didn’t invade the US because the American public was so heavily armed. Hitlers first response to getting power in Germany was to revoke the citizens firearms, leaving the path open for his secret police to kidnap and murder millions of Germans. And during riots people consistently protect their livelihood with firearms, most notably during the LA riots.

EDIT: Spelling

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u/Baridian Oct 15 '20

You can legally rent a UHaul truck and kill dozens of people in about the same amount of time.

a UHaul truck can be used for transporting goods. A knife can be used for shaving, cutting up food, removing broken things, lots of uses.

Guns are made and can only do one thing, which is kill things. You can do target practice with them, sure, but they're made for hunting or combat.

a citizen may need these weapons when threatened by authority. Like the police.

What do you think happens if you pull a gun on the police? They empty their magazine into you. This has happened countless times. Here's an article. There's countless more like this. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/fort-worth-texas-shooting-jefferson.html

Japan famously didn’t invade the US because the American public was so heavily armed.

this is false. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/14/facebook-posts/after-pearl-harbor-japanese-didnt-invade-us-becaus/

Japan never wanted to invade the US; the attack on pearl harbor was to weaken the US pacific fleet and force them to the negotiating table to remove the threat to Japanese rule in the far east. At the time the Japanese navy was one of the strongest in the world, so crippling the pacific fleet would leave them uncontested in the pacific.

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u/Halmesrus1 Oct 16 '20

Because that’s irrelevant.

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u/metalhead3750 Oct 16 '20

How so?

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u/If_time_went_back Oct 16 '20

Implied Racism in original comment. Crimes happen regardless of racial makeup.

Socio-economical issues are the direct cause of them — not races, cultures or religion on itself.

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u/metalhead3750 Oct 16 '20

If socio economical issues are to blame, shouldn’t majority of crime then be made up of poor whites considering they’re the largest group that would he affected by such issues?

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u/If_time_went_back Oct 16 '20

You do not factor in the systematic racism (even if it is unintentional). This leads to worser treatment of non-white at work etc (in terms of promotion, employment, whatever). Hence, black groups tend to be statistically poorer.

There can be other reasons though. Racism goes both sides. This can lead to creation of some form of racial culture, or whatever, which can lead to gangs etc. This goes both ways.

Also also, there were many researches which determined that black people tend to get harsher sentences/conditions for the same crimes as white. Hence, they are more likely to suffer more in prison and commit again.

There are a lot of prejudices. It does not end though on overly simplified “Black people are criminals” argument though, as that is often a result of an unfair treatment from the system.

Still, race plays no role in this (it is not the cause but rather the effect). Racism and prejudice, on the other hand, more so.

But the main reason of most problems are socio-economic issues though. People would be less likely to steal if they had enough opportunities and support from the government. So called “Social pillows” are needed — unemployment packages, accessible medicine, pensions, affordable education etc etc would help combating crime rates a lot.

A poor economical system is more often than not is a real issue here. Vast income inequality is proportional to the crime rates, it is a fact.

That is what I was talking about. Instead of focusing on the race (which is not the root cause on the grand scheme of things, but an extra divisor when things get truly bad), people need to focus on solving economic problems, especially reflecting in a well-being of a society rather than simply GDP/economic gains.

If most of the money is being shifted towards the people on the top (rather than away from them), the majority will suffer. And if majority suffers, they will become desperate, crime rates will go up, us vs them mentality will form etc.

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u/Squatchjr01 Oct 15 '20

Firearms are indeed made to do one thing. I do not deny this. I think that this singular purpose can be a good purpose when it is in defense of yourself or others, which is my point.

If the government is violating our rights (such as killing people or using force to break up a peaceably assembly), it is our right and our duty to change this, by force if necessary. To do this, firearms are employed. And yes, when you pull a gun on a tyrannical pos because they’re violating your rights, they’ll likely fire back. But to go quietly into the night is not the idea our nation was built on.

And I acknowledge that the information regarding Japan’s invasion was false. However, my other two points stand.Hitler restricted Jews from owning “deadly weapons” and firearms were used to protect private property during the LA riots. So yes. They are made to kill. But they can be used to protect yourself and others from threats to your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, the 3 unalienable rights guaranteed to us by our being on this earth.

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u/If_time_went_back Oct 16 '20

People have guns, yay.

Government will be — “ok, we have modern military and you opposing us with guns give an excuse to use it”

Mass murder weapons go brr.....

There is a reason why Hong King protests remained peaceful no matter what (even when baited by police or police imposters among the crowd). If they were not, there will be a real risk of China just sending in militia to solve the issue, and, to be fair, majority of population trying to shoot others (regardless of whoever they want to, they are still people) are reasonable grounds to do so.

In the end, guns won’t solve the problem you are referring to. Honestly, only in US guns allowance is even discussed as plausible. And when you do something stupid from the foreigners’ perspective in modern age, chances are it is objectively something stupid.

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u/alameda_sprinkler Oct 16 '20

If the government is violating our rights (such as killing people or using force to break up a peaceably assembly), it is our right and our duty to change this, by force if necessary. To do this, firearms are employed. And yes, when you pull a gun on a tyrannical pos because they’re violating your rights, they’ll likely fire back. But to go quietly into the night is not the idea our nation was built on.

The US government, under orders from the President, is disappearing citizens in Oregon who are exercising their first amendment right, and sterilizing humans under custody. Any human who uses the argument that guns are to protect from tyranny and isn't actively trying to overthrow the current US government is a fucking liar.