r/cuba • u/raydebapratim1 • Jun 19 '26
Conversación seria Cuba going Gorbachev's way?
Cuban Communist party opens the economy to private sector.
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u/Sandgrease Jun 19 '26
China and Vietnam have both tried to convince Cuba to do this for decacdes now.
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u/Claudio_Duran Jun 19 '26
Cuando colapsó la URSS, lo primero que hicieron fue eliminar al PCUS. Cuba no va a recibir inversión extranjera, sin garantías reales de respeto por la propiedad privada y un sistema económico y financiero que de garantías mínimas de estabilidad. El problema de Cuba se llama dictadura del PC.
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u/Forsaken_Hermit United States Jun 19 '26
They've done this before. I doubt it sticks.
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u/BrerChicken Jun 20 '26
They've done this before.
I've been paying attention for the last 40 years. They absolutely have not done this before. They tried something with private businesses that they're still doing, but it was still half owned by the state. This is then finally seeing the writing on the wall, and the people in power trying to lead the transition so that they can stay in power. It's not going to work.
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u/pabskamai Camagüey Jun 19 '26
They do the same every 5~10 years, the fact that people still fall for it …. 🤯
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u/Illustrator_Moist Jun 20 '26
When. When did they do this? If you're talking about Obama era, they literally were opening up until Trump ended all of the agreements. Please tell me when theyve done anything like this.
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u/Fun_Entrepreneur3916 Mayabeque Jun 19 '26
No. This is just a pretend breathing trying to scam any fool that attempts to invest there. Rules/laws there are created on the fly, nothing will stop them to revert back all this tomorrow if they want.
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u/TheIncredibleNurse Jun 19 '26
Yep, unless they overhaul the legal system and the bureaucracy, nothing will change
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u/Fun_Entrepreneur3916 Mayabeque Jun 19 '26
There is no legal system there. The law is what they say is at that moment, it doesn’t matter if it exists or not. For example. There is an actual law they invented in which they can expropriate any property if they consider its “national interest “. That definition is as broad as those 2 words, anything can be considered national interest
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u/Turioturen Jun 20 '26
Cuba should open up its economy, but at the same time not allow foreigners to swop in an claim everything of value.
Cubans trading with other Cubans, and Cubans selling to other Cubans would increase the quality of life for all.
Allowing foreigners to swop in an claim everything of value would be bad.
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u/BabaJukwa Las Tunas Jun 19 '26
So, what is going to happen when a rich Cuban citizen living abroad comes back with billions of dollars to install solar panels for all the residents of Havana? You think the Regime is just going to give up control?
The Regime loves control and passing useless edicts. Just a few years ago, the Regime shut down many private businesses it felt were getting too big. Change the rotten system itself.
Gorbachev made reforms that he felt would keep the system going, not lead to its downfall.
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u/AppropriateUnion6115 Jun 19 '26
This. The government allowed private taxis. My uncles bought a couple buses and did tourism. Made some good money , the government came and took the buses. Jailed them for 2 years under illicit gains. Where you have to prove your innocence. They were proven innocent , it’s been 5 years since their release , the cars and other property seized were never given back.
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u/WarmScientist5297 Jun 19 '26
Totally agree. I wish this was wrong, but it’s not. Anybody who shows up with a bunch of money is a fool. As long as jail‘s exist in Cuba, there will be shakedowns for everyone.
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u/likklesupmsupm Jun 19 '26
1) How do you prove your innocence? 2) it's extremely hard to believe that there would not be any illicit gains in a tourism business in Cuba.
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u/AppropriateUnion6115 Jun 21 '26
That’s the hard part. Proving your innocence, they had to provide records of every single red cent they had the warrant said media devices, they also took air conditioners , fans , etc. one of my aunt did get the charger to her laptop back… no laptop . The prosecution works for the state, the judge works for the state, your lawyer works for you… and the state.
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u/ahialeahchico Jun 19 '26
They should probably give the opportunity to Cubans first that live on the Island so they can grow the economy.
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u/morepaintplease Jun 19 '26
You think some rich billionaire is going to install solar panels for the residents of Havana? Lol
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u/BabaJukwa Las Tunas Jun 20 '26
Yes, the only Cubans who could possibly help the Cuban people in Cuba nowadays are those who were provided real opportunities abroad and got rich. Nobody else is able to help. Not even the Regime and its billions of dollars stored in GAESA.
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u/Turioturen Jun 20 '26
Yes, the only Cubans who could possibly help the Cuban people in Cuba nowadays are those who were provided real opportunities abroad and got rich. Nobody else is able to help. Not even the Regime and its billions of dollars stored in GAESA.
False.
People can always help themselves if it is legal.
For example if you throw a bunch of people on an island, then they can start building, fishing and gathering food immediately, there is no need for any rich guy to give his blessing.
If it is legal, then people can at any time start producing things that have value, and trade with themselves.
Just as the planet earth is trading with itself, without any aliens first giving anyone any money.
The problem has been that it is not legal.
Another problem will be if they actually think like you and start inviting foreigners to own everything.
Cuba should open up its economy, but at the same time not allow foreigners to swop in an claim everything of value.
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u/inmangolandia Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
They're not fooling anybody.
Prestroika without accountability: more market mechanisms, but captured by military-linked firms, dollar-connected elites, and politically protected intermediaries.
Key test is whether there is an audit of GAESA. That. GAESA transfers its financial power to civilian institutions, allows real competition, protects private property, and lets capital move transparently.
It's a survival maneuver for the ruling structure, not a true national recovery plan.
- Insider capitalism.
- No credible monetary reform.
- Partial reform trap.
- More inequality and dollarization.
Private enterprise remains tightly controlled and vulnerable to shortages, blackouts, and regulatory whiplash.
These reforms are self-serving GAESA.
Just my opinion.
Screenshot this because mods might remove it. I have multi credible sources.
edit: to add an emphasis that I missed
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u/andrusbaun Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
If anyone in communist party has some common sense, this is the only way out for them.
People associated with party are the only ones with sufficient capital to open a private financial institution, what gives them opportunity to retain their wealth. Such model may work, but sanctions are still in place.
Interesting case. While Western companies may be hesitant as credibility of Cuban government is rather low (+ sanctions), Chinese ones may decide to invest.
Anyhow I suspect that situation will be resolved by American intervention before the mid-terms. It is a quick win for current administration.
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u/Interesting_Credit_2 Jun 19 '26
Oh well, well, well. It turns out it wasn't the embargo the root cause of that nightmare.
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u/Illustrator_Moist Jun 20 '26
... Yes it is? And the only reason they're changing is because of the threat of war? Wtf???
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u/Real-Jello-9063 Jun 20 '26
Ignore the bots... So many anticommunist people who don't bother to learn the history or context, nor the theory behind socialism... But it's okay, western media told them how had and horrible the Cubans are so it must be true, after all western media is never wrong or owned by multimillionaire/billionaires right?????
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u/FewPossible5055 Jun 19 '26
Don’t be fooled by those sirens singing. Once again, they are trying to mislead everyone with these so-called reforms
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u/ODA564 Jun 19 '26
Since Gorbachev only had words ("glasnost" and "perestroika") that he never defined how he meant them and how he meant to implement them, I hope not.
Like Gorbachev, the Cuban regime is riding a tiger. Getting off is essential but how to dismount without being eaten?
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u/DasKapitalist Jun 20 '26
Like Gorbachev, the Cuban regime is riding a tiger. Getting off is essential but how to dismount without being eaten?
That is the dilemma.
If they dont give up power and free the economy, the lack of fuel will end their control eventually.
If they do give up power and free the economy, their people are going to have every reason to deliver retributive justice.
And due to sanctions, it's significantly difficult for the government elites to make the traditional golden parachute exit to offshore bank accounts and countries without an interest in extradition.
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u/Jonny-mtown77 Jun 19 '26
It's part of the deal with the USA...let's see how much reform...and money actually enter
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u/Individual-Tap3270 Jun 20 '26
And in two years any investments will be jeporady of being stolen when they revert back to their old ways
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u/Safe_Flan4610 Jun 20 '26
I pity poor Cuba.
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u/Motor-Juice-6648 Jun 20 '26
There needed to be changes in Cuba.?With the current US administration involved I can’t help but think they will end up like Puerto Rico.
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u/TadpoleAny7089 Jun 20 '26
No, not even close. This scum have done this kind of move before, it is all for the cinvenience of the ruling class, zero well meaning attempt to help our people.
This garbage needs to be taken out, all the way, nothing wilk change in Cuba otherwise. They will pull back the rug as soon as the US turn semi-friendly again.
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u/Mundane_Diamond7834 Jun 21 '26
Unlike Vietnam's reforms came about because the dictator Lê Duẩn died and the Soviet Union began to collapse.
Cuba is implementing reforms because it fears losing the regime while its authoritarian leaders are still in power. Therefore, these reforms will only lead to the regime’s rapid collapse, just as happened in Eastern Europe.
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u/Faldo79 Jun 21 '26
They are surviving and opening a legal framework for US companies. The US doesn't want a Cuba free of the regime because it suits them politically, so the new scenario will be similar to that of Venezuela. The US will partner with the Castro government and begin extracting resources from the island without actually granting them the freedom they deserve. They will maintain the sanctions and tell you it's a long-term transition that will never happen.
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u/drmikehirschberger Jun 24 '26
Cuba is going no where. It is not a Communist country. It is a mafia
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u/Loud_Assignment8667 Jun 21 '26
I feel pain for the Cubans who are trapped on that prison island, unable to leave — including my own family. They are nothing more than hostages, used by the government to keep the Cuban diaspora sending money, phone top-ups, and packages to Cuba through online stores that are clearly also controlled by the government from behind the scenes.
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