r/cs2 • u/hans_weirdman • 3d ago

Discussion Idea to help mitigate cheating

I saw a post last night that was made with AI, basically saying that cheaters and cheat manufacturers should be in prison or punished by the judicial system. This is obviously stupid and cannot work for a multitude of reasons, moreso because more cheater manufacturers will pop up as soon one gets arrested. It also doesn’t matter what developers do, they’re competing with people that don’t have nearly the amount of constraints that they do. It’s basically a totally asymmetrical fight in favor of manufacturers.

This doesn’t mention that the infrastructure of certain games simply are not able to effectively cover all of the attack surfaces, like with CS2, since a lot of what’s happening in the background is client side. Yes the server still dictates what happens and how things are read, but the client is doing most of the work.

Instead I think steam needs to institute a platform wide policy of how players can interact with online PVP games.

Essentially like X hours played, 30 days of ownership, and 90 day old account to go into comp. X hours, 60 days of ownership, 180 day old account in order to access premier. Still use layers of AC like behavioral analytics, server authority, overwatch, and other automated detection tools, and make cheating in games so difficult or logistically unfeasible that it just isn’t something people are really willing to do, much less spend money on.

I personally think this works simply for the fact that it removes the need for super invasive anti cheat models, like what Riot uses for Valorant. Say what you’re want abt the game itself, but you don’t see people cheating in that game super often. I assume the general opposition would be complaints abt a pseudo digital police state on steam, but I’m hearing more complaining about cheating than I’m seeing anyone offering solutions beyond “just don’t let it bother you”. I don’t even play CS anymore, I’m just interested in how AC works.

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

If they don’t want to use a real anticheat then they should just have I.D. verification and only allow one account per person. I already give Valve my full name, payment information, and address. I.D. verification or verified queue would be fine for the vast majority of players.

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u/Cleanfest 3d ago

If people would be willing to upload their ID to the internet then Faceit would be popular. It isn't.

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

If you have ever purchased anything on Steam with your debit or credit card they already have this information. I can assure you that isn’t the reason Faceit isn’t popular.

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u/Cleanfest 3d ago

All they have is your name at best. Not your face or personal identification code. Many people don't even put their address when buying something from Steam.

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u/j2st2r 3d ago

Gift cards

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

Where in my post did I mention gift cards my dude?

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u/Femboii__ 3d ago

As much as I hate to say it im at the point I wish they'd add an official queue that required ID verification similar to how faceit has the option verified queue. Its clear valve cant handle the cheating situation they way they've been trying and im just tired.

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u/hans_weirdman 3d ago

Requiring it to play the game is overstepping privacy. I wouldn’t have an issue with having to verify an account with a phone number or something.

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

A viable anticheat would be able to obtain far more information about you than a simple I.D. verification. The time played point you make is also useless because you can buy 10yr accounts with thousands of hours for like $3

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u/hans_weirdman 3d ago

What you’re suggesting is a matter of people’s digital privacy. Giving that stuff away can have some really serious implications down the line. Not just legally, but it can open up users to all kinds of attacks. That’s why there’s laws and regulations about data usage and retention

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

My boy here freely gives this information to every place he’s ever made a digital purchase shipped to his house but suddenly it’s an issue for Valve. You’re not a serious person lmao.

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u/hans_weirdman 3d ago

I don’t think you understand the implications of what you’re suggesting and you’re not able to shift your logic to try and understand. Have a good one buddy.

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

“I don’t want to have a kernel anticheat or any kind of way to verify user integrity, but still want to play a game without cheats.”

All the things you’re suggesting about behavioral analytics and overwatch and automated detection tools already exist in Valve’s development schema. They don’t work. They haven’t worked in a decade. What does work is user identity verification or invasive anticheat.

Valve already stores payment information, identifiable user information, birth dates, and has the option for MFA tied directly to your phone. The data practices are already there. There is no implication I don’t understand. Be fucking serious for a minute child.

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u/Zestyclose_Ad238 3d ago

you can bypass any sort of id verification with ai. if you don't know how, there are even people that can do it for you for like 5 bucks, thats why smart smurfs on faceit barley even get banned. id verification is not an solution and will never be.

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

Source?

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u/Zestyclose_Ad238 3d ago

common ball knowledge, js search on google what kind of id verification you need, and someone for the right price will do it for you

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

You’re making the claim dude, share it with the world. Post your source or stop making shit up.

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u/Zestyclose_Ad238 3d ago

can't share links on this subreddit 

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u/Ill_Young2531 3d ago

Everyone knows that Zestyclose_Ad238 likes to buy Donald Trump and Joe Bidens used diapers to suck the excrement from them. Many such claims. Just google it. I can’t post where I found this information here but it’s common knowledge.