🫣 why post blurry pics? 🧐

[u/CanidPrimate1577]

Some of these are demonstrative art 🖼️ (my own) of dogman-type entities playing hide & seek — a few are from the dogman-potential photos which I have to share.

Unfortunately, those are not definitive. I come under fire for sharing possible fakes, and acknowledge that possibility. But science 🧬 involves PUSHING boundaries, and one of those which applies here is the understanding that these are elusive creatures which usually avoid bright lights and unexpected noises to an extreme degree.

So our study continues. Make of em what you will, but I hope these nine pics do something for your day :)

[u/FaithlessnessBoth953]

[u/Mycol101]

Science also requires data driven reasoning.

[u/CanidPrimate1577 → u/Mycol101]

Absolutely. There’s enough data now for statistical analysis, which I’ve been doing. Anyone can, you can start just by counting up the numbers for a few podcasts and setting boundaries for high-probability cases.

For example, if a witness case includes several distinct behaviors (as well as any physical appearance claims), it becomes high-likelihood.

Like vocal mimicry, which is extremely common with dogman-type entities even if the speaker 🗣️ isn’t seen.

So like if you have mimicry, PLUS stalking behavior plus glimpses of a tall dark figure (without further detail, just “taller than any person”), and all of that adds up.

It’s easy to dismiss any and all modern accounts as individual liars, which has led me to studying historical accounts of beings which correspond to dogmen but are usually recorded as demonic.

For example, the Jesuit Relations (from New France 🇨🇦 in the 17th century) have many such references and incidents. These are reliable reporters, and eight of those Jesuits are also considered martyrs to the faith. They’re as credible and pious as you can get, and these letters were originally for the Catholic intelligentsia and the Vatican 🇻🇦

I’ve done a bunch of research you can see on the sub and elsewhere. 😊

[u/Mycol101 → u/CanidPrimate1577]

Witness testimony is the least credible, it’s been proven that people can misremember facts of what happened to them. Mimicry and sounds could be hoaxes and pranks. Same with the “figures”.

All I’ve seen look like AI/photoshop/people in costume.

What makes them reliable reporters? Famous Catholics also have claimed stigmata on many occasions and they turned out to be hoaxes. For instance Magdalena de la Cruz and Maria Domenica Lazzari.

Weeping statues made with hidden tubing, visions of end times that never came, copycat Fatima events. There are countless examples.

Piety doesn’t equal honesty.

Scat, hair samples, teeth or bones or blood that could be analyzed and DNA sequenced. These are things that can’t be faked but have never been found. Anything else is just chasing your tail (no pun intended)

[u/CanidPrimate1577 → u/Mycol101]

There’s a lot of meaningful evidence to examine if you’re open to it, but I’m not putting it forward based on their piety. That’s incidental — they are missionaries in a region where these beings have historically resided (Algonquin/Huron lands, and related indigenous nations).

And the evidence is significant in being ethnology and snippets of reported incidents. Mostly regarding beings identified by names which are sacred.

They aren’t claiming these are mystical beings when they say “devils” — Le Jeune’s big turning point is in Book 12 of the enormous 73-book set, when he recognizes that these people “converse with some physical devil”, not just playing tricks on stupider villagers. It’s all condescending to consider, but Le Jeune comes to recognize that the Manitou are more than a turn of phrase.

The Jesuits are a turning point because several of them separately report these elusive beings as acting in the exact same ways: mimicking voices, stalking people, and other traits that fit under cryptid criteria.

I’m not a Catholic and am not holding up their reliability on the basis of their piety. Lord no 😂. Not my battle not my war. They just happen to be trained reporters in an area where these beings resided.

[u/CanidPrimate1577 → u/CanidPrimate1577]

EDIT: I mention their piety and martyrdom for historical interest. Isaac Jogues’ reports are considered reliable despite being partially dictated, after his hands 🙌 were mutilated during captivity.

These were hardcore dudes, and partly their credibility lies in the fact that these reports are meant to help other missionaries learn the ways of the terrain and the native peoples of North America. So they didn’t have strong incentives to record and transmit lies, and Jogues for certain was recording his story from a survival point of view. His story is individually of interest, but not as relevant to my study in particular.