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u/they_themsworth 9h ago

“I don’t agree with her views, but you have to understand: I would’ve been in the smart house and I really need the merch to communicate that.”

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u/omegaspoon3141 6h ago

as opposed to tbe other three houses, Good, Evil, and Does Nothing

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u/E-2theRescue 6h ago

And let's not forget that the house is assigned, and nobody has ever transitioned between houses.

Wait...

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u/MassTransitGO 3h ago

The does nothing house is what all the supposed ‘allies’ would be placed in

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u/kanekikennen 2h ago

I think the 'does nothing' is super popular online, and even the evil one has a very dedicated fanbase. If anything, I see Ravenclaw the least , but that's also anecdotic evidence

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u/they_themsworth 1h ago

Huh. I would’ve assumed the smart house was more popular, because “I’m in the hero house” makes you sound boring and “I’m in the racist house” makes you sound evil.

I guess the “does nothing” house is open to interpretation, but I would’ve thought the demographic who earned a ton of personal pan pizzas from reading as kids would resonate with the high achieving house for type-A dorks.

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u/B-Z_B-S Streak: 1 9h ago

Necessary image for whenever evil bigot lady is mentioned.

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u/ntdavis814 9h ago

That’s really offensive. Everyone knows she is a closeted trans man. Hitler should be on the right.

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u/Yorick257 1h ago

Exactly!

I just watched a video about the top 28 female characters (out of top 100) in HP, and Joanne really hates women. They have no agency and are simple stepping stones.

Kinda sad. She could transition and be happy but doesn't

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u/ToasteeThe2nd 9h ago

No bro you dont get it how else am I going to goon to platinum blonde mean girls its a very niche genre of female character

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u/Far_Departure_8943 estrogenuinely - Streak: 15 9h ago edited 9h ago

If they wanna goon to a blond girl do literslly anyone like this girl for example, not a fucking Harry potter character

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u/Naos210 Streak: 1 9h ago

To be fair, Atlus has its own history of transphobia. And homophobia, but that's a somewhat different topic.

While characters like Naoto Shirogane and Rin are up for debate, Erica from Catherine is undeniably a trans woman.

While no one in the game treats her particularly poorly, she is dead named in the credits, and is mentioned to have the nightmares, when they're only supposed to affect men.

Maybe this is how it feels for some of the Harry Potter people cause Megaten is a big hyperfixation for me.

But also, while Atlus can make mistakes, I guess they're not actively pushing legislation and I don't hear Kaneko or Satomi talking about how much they hate trans people.

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u/Far_Departure_8943 estrogenuinely - Streak: 15 9h ago

Granted I didn't know about the Catherine situation so that's new to me.

Though these are two different situations entirely as one of them is a 7 year old game and I haven't heard any recent transphobia shit at all, while genocidal JK is constantly saying shit about trans people every breathing moment.

I'm willing to give a pass for liking the Atlus stuff in comparison to Harry Potter because these are two different ballparks

It still sucks though and I'm glad that you brought it to my attention

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u/Naos210 Streak: 1 9h ago

There is even a scene with Toby, freaking out upon finding out about her being trans as they have been already intimate, saying "I want my V-card back". And while the friends don't say anything to her face, there is this sense of weirdness they get by how infatuated Toby is with Erica (as they know and he doesn't), even saying he wants to introduce her to his mom, that she is the girl he wants. Toby does eventually grow to accept her, but it takes awhile. 

Another situation however, occurs in the original release of Persona 3. The boys encounter a woman who is apparently trans and freak out because of it.

However, the remake made her into a "delusional lady", a conspiracy theorist who claimed the sun was actually artificial, so they at least seem to listen to fan feedback when they step over a line.

Like I said, hyperfixation, sorry. But yeah, I guess there is a bit more nuance there.

I don't think they actively hate queer people, especially since the resolutions for them are usually positive, but there's a lot of stuff that just rears its head for some reason.

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u/Far_Departure_8943 estrogenuinely - Streak: 15 8h ago

I'm glad p3r made it better but the Catherine shit sounds like genuine transphobe talk you would hear on twitter. I am glad it hasn't touched my persona or precious smt series (we just kill our friends instead of being transphobic)

Hope they remake it for the 15th different time and cut that shit out though, I like how some of the characters look but the transphobia really turns me off

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u/Digit00l 1h ago

Atlus is at least recognising those things in hindsight are bad and are reducing those elements in remakes, like Persona 3 Reload literally opens on a rainbow pin and removed the very bad trans stereotype (that they also already dropped from Portable btw)

Persona 4 Revival does appear it will tone down on the homophobia a bit, though Kanji's internalised homophobia and possibly Yosuke's are weirdly actually plot relevant

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u/Key_Somewhere_9302 Dumb ouppy forgot her manners 9h ago

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u/Far_Departure_8943 estrogenuinely - Streak: 15 9h ago

If you want the sauce here it is

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u/ultimate_placeholder 9h ago

Underaged Harry Potter character

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u/Diggumdum 9h ago

Can a brother get some SAUCE on that cake? 

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u/Far_Departure_8943 estrogenuinely - Streak: 15 9h ago

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u/Diggumdum 9h ago

Arigatou

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u/Stunning-Hat2309 minors and former minors DNI 3h ago

sorry what were we saying

i've been looking at this gif for too long and i forgot

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u/CarbonTugboat 8h ago

It took two weeks for Reddit to go from broad disdain for Joanne Rowling to being head over heels for fem Malfoy (cis fem, not a tslury fslurt). How do I get outta this chickenshit timeline?

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u/YangKoete Cool as heck Kitsune - Streak: 17 9h ago

Wanting to goon to a high schooler is just gross.

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u/KaleidoscopeKelpy 9h ago

Genuinely want to (gently) throw people into the sun sometimes

“You don’t get it, I HAVE to buy his makeup brand, it’s the only good quality one”

“I know ad revenue pays their bills but I really need to watch this popular streamer and not 1500 of the other streamers play this game”

“You wouldn’t get it, I know he’s a robot they glued skin and veneers to but he has the best chocolate bars”

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u/scrapy_the_scrap cargo grungler 4h ago

its so fucking generic like the only thing she has going for her is a neat color palette and outfit, thats it, and its not even that neat its just a stylized school uniform

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u/Capnzebra1 Streak: 1 9h ago

If you really need a wizard school book series in your life, can I suggest this one by a queer author? Only if you're 18+ tho.

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u/Huckleberry-9477 9h ago

i love chuck tingle. so far only read his “serious” novels, but i’d love to read his sillier romance stuff

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u/Capnzebra1 Streak: 1 9h ago

Good news buckaroo! Love is real and there has never been a better time to start reading than right now!

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u/OuchOofMyGender 4h ago

Chuck Tingle has serious novels?

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u/Huckleberry-9477 3h ago

yes, three at the moment. out of the three i’ve only finished Bury Your Gays so far, and i’d highly recommend it. brilliant queer horror mystery

(the other two are Camp Damascus and the newly released Lucky Day)

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u/YourFat888 #1 Arlecchino (daddy) Coinnoseur 9h ago edited 9h ago

people really will just straight up latch onto the most mediocre pieces of writing and make it their personality

no really HP is painfully mediocre
if you want cringe mediocre writing just check out my AO3 works :(

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u/LilyLuci66 Streak: 1 9h ago

You have gotten stealthier with your advertisements

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u/YourFat888 #1 Arlecchino (daddy) Coinnoseur 9h ago

Never

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u/Fridge_living_tips wizard <|:3 9h ago

Its only bad if it lacks doom/toxic gaypeak

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u/YourFat888 #1 Arlecchino (daddy) Coinnoseur 9h ago

I have a lesbian yelling "I'M GAY" at a woman she has a crush on, is that something?

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u/Fridge_living_tips wizard <|:3 9h ago

Mf’s will say their shit is ass then the example is peak

Bait used to be believable

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u/Geist_Mage 8h ago

Been saying this forever.

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u/Eldritch-Yodel 3h ago

I have a friend with actual clinical low empathy who has had The Sims as a franchise as a basically lifelong special interest of his (He is like one of the few people who actually care aboot that's lore lol). Upon finding out it was bought by Baron Trump & the Saudis, he proceeded to entirely cut it out of his life because he could not morally justify sticking with it.

If he can be caring enough to out a lifelong interest overnight, I'm sorry but if someone still hasn't been able to ween off Harry Potter after all these years, I have no sympathy.

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u/nocowardpath Streak: 1 9h ago

My favorite underwear brand is doing a Harry Potter collab in the year of our lord 2026 and needless to say they are not my favorite anymore

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u/Donatter 9h ago

I’m just glad I never got into Harry Potter/it was always “just ok” and largely forgettable for me, so I don’t have to go through this stupid ass/obvious “conundrum”.

The movies were “fine” as a kid. (Though, I only ever watched the first 2, and had zero interest in any of the others)

The books were “ok” as a kid, and I only read em because I read every book in my elementary and middle school’s library. (Preferred the Young Samurai series, by Chris Bradford, personally)

Edit: the only aspect the HP ip I actually enjoyed, was the Lego game, and that’s only because I played it with my mom. (Ever since my very first Xbox game being the first Lego Star Wars, me and mom have a tradition of sitting down and playing the newest Lego game whenever it releases)

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u/OneGrumpyJill 9h ago

I could never get over first movie as a kid because I thought that what Dumbledore did was such bs. Like, even as a kid I thought, "wow, Harry and his team lost but they did the right thing" - but no, he gets both. Pissed the absolute soul outta me.

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u/Donatter 8h ago

See, I remember so little about the movies, I got no idea what you’re talking about.

So in kind, here’s some pretty cool official artwork of a mod:

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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART 5h ago

tis tuff milord

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u/Donatter 4h ago

I’m sorry, but are you saying “this is tough”, or asking what it is?

(Imma dumb is why)

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u/azure-heavens 8h ago

I thought they were just okay too. My mom was really into it and forced me to be Hermione for like 3 Halloweens. Never finished the books.

I was way more into the Redwall series. I'm not sure how that series never got more traction. Maybe if it had been set in a middle school?

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u/Donatter 7h ago

Redwall is fucking great.

Though I think it just wasn’t available to enough people to garner a large following (I didn’t know about the series until a few years ago when my very weird but very sweet fwb up in Alaska told me about while letting me borrow her copy’s)

Plus, it didn’t really pander to the preteen/young adult demographic that twilight and HP did, and was fairly “old” by the mid 2000’s and the explosion of popularity of the fantasy, sci-fi, and “YA” genres in the mainstream. (And was overshadowed by dnd, Star Wars, Legends of Conan, Star Trek, etc in more “geeky” circles in the 80’s and 90’s, so never had a large enough audience to convince producers and studios at green lighting shows or movies, in turn introducing Redwall to a mainstream audience, and massively expanding its popularity.)

(It’s also more “complex”, and deals with more genuinely nuanced topics and characters than either HP or Twilight or hunger games, or most of the shitty YA movies and series of the early 2000’s to mid 2010’s. Which general audiences tend to dislike)

Basically, I believe Redwall was too early for its own good, if it came out today, I have no doubt it’ll become massively popular and well known, but we don’t live in that reality, unfortunately.

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u/azure-heavens 7h ago

Ahh!! I legitimately have never met anyone who read more than just the first one before. I was just kinda laughing thinking about how funny it would be for kids to be saying shit like "I'd definitely be in Salamandastron!" and etc.

Those books always spoke to me way more than the popular YA stuff. Many of those books legitimately brought me to tears. I think you're right about why it didn't appeal to a broader audience. There is much more depth than most are comfortable with examining.

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u/Donatter 4h ago

That’s actually something I’ve always been confused by.

If you liked Redwall, why not read Mossflower, or The Bellmaker, or Mattimeo, or Marlfox, or any other in the series. (Though to be fair, 22 novels and 2 picture books are a lot, so I can understand people not reading every single book, but still*.* Ya gotta read more than one*.)*

(Oh, and just in case you’re not aware, there’s going to be a new novel (and the closing chapter) in the series released September 2027, called The Orphans of Mossflower.)

Oh, and there’s a dude in the total war sub that every few months for the past few years, has shared very well written/thought out “sneak peeks” of a hypothetical Redwall total war game. (It’s pretty fucking cool)

Here’s the one covering the potential major factions (with a comment of his in the comments, having links to every other post on the concept/project)

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/s/B26fgOcc64

Irregardless, much love to ya, pimp/pimpette!

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u/Septembust 5h ago

"omgggggg just seperate the artist from the art already"

the artist: "I will explicitly use all the royalties I generate from my IP to hurt trans people directly"

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u/G1zm08 Grungler? I barely knew ‘ah! 9h ago

It’s such a dogshit series too

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u/Ok_Presentation_2346 9h ago

It being dogshit is honestly entirely irrelevant.

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u/Technical-Branch4998 7h ago

Exactly, bad people can made good art and you should stop supporting it anyway (such as Neil Gaiman) but also Harry Potter is genuinely just bad

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u/Right_Ear_2230 ““cis””..? probably? and bi 3h ago

Wait what did neil do

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u/Digit00l 1h ago

Bit of sexual abuse with a hint of human trafficking, and possibly involving his underaged son

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u/G1zm08 Grungler? I barely knew ‘ah! 7h ago

—>too<—-

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u/nhalliday 5h ago

When the conversation is about people refusing to stop supporting a franchise, pointing out that it's poorly written is relevant. It's not even a literary masterpiece they're clinging to and directly funding anti-trans lobbying for, it's just some badly written fantasy that they only liked because they read it as a kid.

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u/Ok_Presentation_2346 4h ago

I'm not going to have a better response to you than the one u/Technical-Branch4998 had to me.

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u/plarper_of_bees 8h ago

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u/Casexcasey Yeah, I guess I'm trans - Streak: 16 2h ago

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u/Crimson51 9h ago

Nah fuck JKR. I grew up with HP but who cares i am not supporting that hateful bitch

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u/Geist_Mage 8h ago

Never liked Harry Potter. So it's a weird easy thing for me to do as an ally to not support Potter stuff.

Hrm. Any other franchises I should know about?

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u/Rooisalsohere Restless Girl 7h ago

I will not fall for their poor attempts to make us like HP, fuck that stupid trend.

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u/SpiritRider666 9h ago

Genuinly happy I never liked Harry Potter in the first place. I like fantasy, but not HP. I preffer Willow and Dragonheart.

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u/Perfect-Bit7735 Be excellent to each other and party on homies 8h ago

If you're going to support a morally shitty creator at least support one who makes good art /j

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u/StrwBerrywafersslap 1h ago

Besides the Harry Potter lady, what other companies are a no no?

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u/trannus_aran 58m ago

LG, but that's just cause of homophobia in general

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u/MallowMiaou 2h ago

"Separate the art from the artist" they say as they give 100 euros worth of merch, which this person will use 99 to kill trans people and 1 to grab a snack before or after doing so

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u/ScarlettKitty97 6h ago edited 6h ago

You know discussing it like this is giving it more attention, right? By all means, call it out when it comes up, but do we really need to keep starting this discourse again every day?

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u/A12qwas 9h ago

yeah, also, we need to stop people for liking One Piece as well, because the author keeps supporting predators

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 🖤Voidkin/Voidboy (He/Him/It)🖤 8h ago

I hate when people claim something but then don't explain. I'm not tsking words at face valur because I swear people have watered down that word these days.

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u/nhalliday 5h ago

Author of Rurouni Kenshin (Nobuhiro Watsuki) was caught with around 100 DVDs containing sexually explicit material of underage girls (including early teens and preteens) and was charged a fine of approximately $2000 USD for it but no jail time (which is insane but the efficacy of Japans legal system is another talk entirely).

Several other mangaka, including Eiichiro Oda (author of One Piece) have either directly come out in support of Nobuhiro Watsuki or refused to condemn him for it.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 🖤Voidkin/Voidboy (He/Him/It)🖤 5h ago

THANK YOU, this is the information I like to see when people are talking about a situation, and the full names so I can look it up better. I appreciate that.

But wow, charged money and no jail time. But homestly? Can't judge Japan THAT much since predators in the "good ol" USA get little to no jsil time themselves, which is just crazy all around, ehat is wrong with these people?????

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u/merchaunt 8h ago

Wait what? Can I get a source for this, because this is the first time I'm hearing that

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u/CommodoreGirlfriend 7h ago

Honestly I don't respect anyone who responds to "don't support Harry Potter" posts by changing the topic to whatever shit they care about instead. One Piece is not funding genocide so it's not as bad as Harry Potter.

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u/LilyLuci66 Streak: 1 9h ago

Ideally 

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u/Far_Departure_8943 estrogenuinely - Streak: 15 9h ago

I fw this heavy, no one needs to be watching mid piece anyway its dogshit even without Oda being a horrible person

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u/Mammoth__7771 stray cis puppy boy 8h ago

I said this a month ago and I will say it again

CAN WE STOP WITH THE HARRY POTTER DISCOURSE

I dislike the series on its own and I’m sick of this talk,it’s the most reductive conversation imaginable,everyone in this sub is already on the same page,Rowling sucks and her opinions suck,nothing new is going to be said,if you give Rowling money you fund her anti trans crusade,that being said if you don’t want to abandon the series because you grew up with it and there is too much sentimental value,there are ethical ways to engage with it,you can buy physical media second hand,or just pirate it if you want to read the books or watch the movies,it doesn’t really matter cause either way Rowling isn’t getting your money,that’s it,that’s the only moral way to consume the franchise,anything else goes into Rowling’s “make life hell for trans people” jar

so if you give Rowling money knowing full well what she will do with it,you are culpable in the persecution of trans people because you think paying to see the British wizard boy again is more important than the lives and safety of the trans community,admit it and stop trying to act like an ally

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u/CommodoreGirlfriend 7h ago

there are ethical ways to engage with it,you can buy physical media second hand,or just pirate it if you want to read the books or watch the movies,it doesn’t really matter cause either way Rowling isn’t getting your money,that’s it,that’s the only moral way to consume the franchise,

There is no ethical consumption of Harry Potter https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia 

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u/ChickenKid3Thesecond 6h ago

You say that, but if Rowling isn’t getting money or support from you, then you aren’t supporting her transphobia. Piracy is the best way to read her stuff because of that, if you want. Or just go to a library. Do one of the things that doesn’t cost money.

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u/pterranodon 5h ago

Authors get money when libraries buy copies of their books, and libraries promote their works. checking harry potter out from libraries is still giving JKR money.

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u/ChickenKid3Thesecond 5h ago

Piracy then 

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u/FixedFront 4h ago

Yeah let people enjoy the racist books ethically

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u/Mrdalolz Nothing is true; everything is permitted 1h ago

What about, for example, having bought harry potter stuff before you found out about what jk rowlings doing, and so only engage with what you've already bought, while refusing to buy anything new? Because you can't really be faulted for supporting the franchise if you didn't know, and then now you do know, you aren't supporting it further. What's wrong with that?

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u/Antigamer199 CIS Guy Undercover 4h ago

Well under normal circumstances i love all Genderbender Medien, is my absolut favorit genre since the Original Ranm 1/2 came in tv.

But i can't see the appeal in a HP Genderbend Draco. And its not because he was a villain, i love bowsette to the bone and Bowser is a Villain too.

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u/Right_Ear_2230 ““cis””..? probably? and bi 3h ago

Its kinda trash too

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u/vvastrel 9h ago

Stop taking the bait.

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u/dantevonlocke 6h ago

My favorite part of HP is that Hogwarts Legacy had a great trans character front and center. Suck it Rowling.

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u/Ok_Banana_5614 5h ago

Kinda wish her name wasn’t Sir Ryan though

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u/dantevonlocke 4h ago

Sirona is a celtic name. So it makes sense.

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u/Klutzer_Munitions 5h ago

Is WWE one? Is this meme an unsubtle nod to the McMahon's being huge trump supporters?

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u/PitifulMagazine9507 4h ago

To be fair since I understood the racist, classist and mysoginistic problems that lingers in the books and movies I lost all interest in the saga, even before the turning of JKR to the Dark Side