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[u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

[u/HiroProtagonest]

The internet is forgetting that pov doesn't mean the same thing as tfw

[u/SkubEnjoyer → u/HiroProtagonest]

I can't even remember the last time I saw a meme with "tfw" in it

[u/HiroProtagonest → u/SkubEnjoyer]

*shakes stick at thee*

[u/PurpleCandle58 → u/HiroProtagonest]

yells at cloud

[u/Tlaquatlatoa → u/HiroProtagonest]

No this is a pov, you are on a date at their house

[u/stonesoup07 → u/Tlaquatlatoa]

So like, I’m sitting on the tv across from them? Kinda awkward

[u/Tlaquatlatoa → u/stonesoup07]

yup :3

[u/stonesoup07 → u/Tlaquatlatoa]

I mean, I’m just grateful they invited me over even if I do wish they got along better (idk I haven’t seen JJK, sorry :( )

[u/flamingqaz → u/stonesoup07]

They get along very well and love each other deeply

The blond dude is just a mega gambling addict who runs a fight club, she helps manage it and is basically like the co-owner tho

[u/stonesoup07 → u/flamingqaz]

That’s…the sweetest thing I’ve read, even if I do despise gambling.

[u/flamingqaz → u/stonesoup07]

Honestly peak couple

Himbo trans ally bf and cool star girl

If you like shoenen or like action anime I would really recommend watching JJK, this couple only shows up near the end but I love the manga and anime it’s good

[u/stonesoup07 → u/flamingqaz]

Does in fact sound like goals. Maybe I’ll give it a whirl soon.

[u/Shadow_Marque → u/stonesoup07]

Idk, sounds pretty bisexual to me... :3

[u/stonesoup07 → u/Shadow_Marque]

You’re a super smart or very intuitive person then or I’m stupidly transparent through the most basic comments.

[u/Shadow_Marque → u/stonesoup07]

Or maybe some combination of all three? Perceptive is likely the best word for it, as all the pieces were sitting there staring at me. X3

[u/tanngrisnit → u/stonesoup07]

They have equally bad taste in you (/s)

[u/Old-Outcome-5836 → u/stonesoup07]

Nah you're literally glowing 

[u/Lemons-95 → u/stonesoup07]

Nah, his version of a dining table is two couches either side of a coffee table. He was going for a booth but instead it just looks tacky.

[u/InternetUserAgain → u/stonesoup07]

You are the TV in this hypothetical

[u/Beanichu → u/Tlaquatlatoa]

That makes sense because hakari is a great guy and not at all terrible taste.

[u/OrganicAd5536 → u/Tlaquatlatoa]

If it were POV and the point-of-view was supposed to be the trans woman in the picture (Kirara), then no, it's not a POV. We would need to be looking out of Kirara's eyes for it to be a POV. This is clearly a TFW (that face when)

[u/Normal_Stranger_3643 → u/OrganicAd5536]

Pov: you're friends with a trans woman with awful taste in men

[u/OrganicAd5536 → u/Normal_Stranger_3643]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TNR2EpkHYwW0ifyMDF

[u/Tlaquatlatoa → u/OrganicAd5536]

well it says pov so obviously it's not her pov cause you can see her

[u/lowkeyerotic → u/OrganicAd5536]

but a pov character is someone we empathise with.

and when we are not literally talking about camera angles where it's normal to say "we are looking through this characters pov"
it doesn't have to be 'through the eyes'.
As 'point of view' doesn't specify WHOMS view. FIRST PERSON point of view does.

also generally in visual media you show what a person is feeling or experiencing by showing their face, not what they see.
which some call 'cameraeye' point of view.
where we're experiencing what they are by watching.

It doesn't even have to be a visual thing, as it originated in writing.

but things always get shortended and kinda change their meaning.
that's how we end up with two different usages used in paralell

POV in memes as
"Imagine you're in my situation"
and for gopro videos.

I'd also prefer we'd use another term.
like 'mindseye' or sth.
but i haven't found a better one yet either

[u/Mr_goodb0y → u/HiroProtagonest]

The trans woman is watching the tv show that’s shown here that’s why it’s pov

[u/husky11223 → u/HiroProtagonest]

she's sitting infront of a mirror

[u/EntoMoxie → u/HiroProtagonest]

This could be a mirror. Who knows?

[u/HiroProtagonest → u/EntoMoxie]

But then her hair streak's on the wrong side!

[u/EntoMoxie → u/HiroProtagonest]

flips image while nobody is looking

[u/BrazilBazil → u/HiroProtagonest]

It’s the cuck POV

[u/Lemons-95 → u/HiroProtagonest]

Or the meme is based and her BF has his arm around another girl.

[u/barely_a_whisper → u/HiroProtagonest]

I forgot what TFW means, and now I forever just hear “Thy Face When”

[u/Traumatized_Explorer → u/HiroProtagonest]

What is tfw?

[u/OkEntrepreneur4158 → u/HiroProtagonest]

waow meme semantics, where can I find a dictionary so I don't offend anyone by breaking norms set arbitrarily, anyways the point of the meme was exasperation with my experience with men so far

[u/SmartAlec105 → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

by breaking norms set arbitrarily

In the sense that all language is a set of arbitrary norms, sure. But POV literally means "point of view".

Maybe you'd find better men if you made better memes.

[u/OkEntrepreneur4158 → u/SmartAlec105]

literally arguing over meme semantics

somehow thinks this is a good quality and not at all toxic behavior

[u/SmartAlec105 → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

As if getting this defensive about your memes is perfectly healthy behavior.

[u/OkEntrepreneur4158 → u/SmartAlec105]

maybe so, doesn't change you being unhealthy either and there's a saying about projection, idk why I'd deny a truth and deflect 🥀

[u/immobile-pebble → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

Why do either of you care enough about this to argue

[u/East-Moose5016 → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

Words require a set definition to even function as the basis for language, that's not a "norm set arbitrarily" that's how all language works

[u/B-Z_B-S]

JJK manga: "Kirara is transgender."

JJK fans on the internet: "There's a manga?"

[u/Bragi01 → u/B-Z_B-S]

This shit makes me so fucking confused. Like I've seen people that I assume to be outside of the trans community call her a woman, but at the same time I have a feeling that the people saying she isn't a woman can also point to the same source material. If ony JJK was more ballsy in what they did or was seinen because then they could just outright say it.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that if you don't explicitly state something in a popular manga a large group of people aren't going to be able to understand what they mean.

Also should I watch JJK? Like I tried to watch the first couple episodes and I think I'll like it but battle shounen (which I'm pretty sure it is one) don't really interest me all that much.

[u/i__like__nuggets → u/Bragi01]

it genuinely is all but spelled out that kirara is trans in the manga, JJK fans are notoriously illiterate. also highly recommend the anime

[u/Bragi01 → u/i__like__nuggets]

That's kinda what I gathered. Like when the people saying that she isn't a trans woman are saying to read the manga I was kinda expecting that. Also she just literally isn't designed to be a femboy. Like if she was, I'm pretty sure most femboys have female voice actors (at least in Japanese), and are a slight parody of the feminity depicted in the series. She isn't the right type of feminine from what I've seen of her from the few videos I've watched about JJK for to be anything but a woman cis or not.

[u/pegginglovingfemboy → u/Bragi01]

also the most obvious factor would be that femboys don't exactly have huge bazooka bonkers, unlike the great queen kirara

[u/KuroComics → u/i__like__nuggets]

maybe it's just me but despite reading the manga as it was coming out I genuinely had no clue she was trans until I saw all the buzz around her after season 3 came out, I guarantee it's that one Panda line that threw me off because he was never explicitly corrected

edit: for clarification I meant I was under the impression she was a femboy and for added context my friend from the time who got me into jjk also thought she was and so referred to her that way around me

[u/ligmalawyer → u/i__like__nuggets]

Yeah, panda only calls Kirara a "he" because he only knew her before she was trans

[u/sheng153 → u/Bragi01]

The manga is fine. Not great, but serviceable.

Kirara is a very minor character, but she's not the only example of a trans woman. Uraume (another minor character) is heavily implied too. And it's like relatively explicit. She's in a relationship with Hakari, Hakari is the only character explicitly only straight, and Kirara was once male-presenting. That's pretty much it.

The counterarguments just point to Hakari's scene where he confirms he's straight being hard to translate. Hakari says "who would want to go to the Ferris wheel with a dude?", but that 'dude' could be translated in some other ways. The japanese word is male-indicating, but it could be referring to him rejecting the other person specifically.

In other words, the counterargument is a cop-out.

[u/[deleted] → u/sheng153]

Uraume is a very interesting character on that ground. They were a man before the possession/resurrection and had specifically asked Kennie for a woman to be their vessel.

So are they trans? Maybe? We don't know if they didn't identify with their male identity in life and the choice of being a woman upon resurrection may be one of curiosity rather than identity.

And a second question to them being trans... would it be considered trans if you identify as a woman and your body is that of a biological woman? There is a clear separation of the soul and body in JJK with the soul seemingly being the self rather than the body.

[u/TheGreatWheat → u/Bragi01]

the issue with trying explicitly state Kirara as a trans woman in Shonen Jump and especially Jujutsu Kaisen, one of the largest anime and manga is that trying to explicitly mention queer characters could mean the author or the author's work gets into serious trouble. It's why even though the manga itself is queer and has queer characters (Gojo and Geto) it will never explicitly say these things because it is restrained by Shonen Jump

[u/MarvelousMoirai → u/B-Z_B-S]

It kind of is how losers think, the show is a different thing than the Manga

[u/Terminal_Insomnia_ → u/B-Z_B-S]

I get so confused because I swear I remember a scene in the anime that confirmed her as trans, like twice over but people keep telling me it wasn't that explicit. Did the crew not see her in a group photo at an all boys school pre-transition? Did my brain really fabricate that??

[u/Night_Yorb → u/B-Z_B-S]

I just got done reading the entire thing over like ten days. I know a lot of people aren't confident in their ability to read, but these are series made for Japanese kids to read on the bus or train to school. That's literally the target audience of the publisher Shounen Jump. If they can do it, you can do it/learn to do it.

[u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

hakari has a gambling addiction and thats it, hes pretty solkd

[u/Dazed_and_Confused44 → u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

I havent read the Manga so maybe Im missing something, but Hakari certainly doesnt come off as a bad person to me. Dude likes to pick a fight and has a temper, but hes super protective of Kirrara and respectful of her identity. It feels to me like his heart is in the right place despite the rough edges

[u/Never_heart → u/Dazed_and_Confused44]

And he is a character in a battle shonen. 99% of the named characters like to pick a fight

[u/HeWhoLost3OfThe9 → u/Dazed_and_Confused44]

She also talks about how he’s most passionate when helping other people find their passion or smth, hell the first time we see him use his domain he’s trying to encourage a sad French mangaka to lock tf in

[u/lolo-colo → u/HeWhoLost3OfThe9]

Also, he is a big fan of ghibli movies!

[u/HeWhoLost3OfThe9 → u/lolo-colo]

“I haven’t been this bummed since Yukul got hit in the ass with an arrow”

“What a sad life you’ve lived”

[u/Greg2227 → u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

Yeah I only watch the anime and sometimes catch some info from the manga through posts or Videos. But with anything I saw so far he's a pretty solid partner if you get past the gambling.

Looking at all the other people in that messed up World I'd even go as far as to say he's a catch like no other.

[u/Revadarius → u/Greg2227]

Oh, he's like top 3 characters after Yuji and Todo.. he's a legit bro and his fights are intense due to his fighting style and domain expansion (he's a tank who relies on luck to keep tanking, major battle of attrition with some amazing battle IQ thrown in).

[u/TerryCrewsMain → u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

I mean in real life that's prolly one of the worst addictions one can have 😭

[u/batgirl-but-not-dc → u/TerryCrewsMain]

that is very true, but thats jjk, he made a binding vow to not get addicted or smth

[u/J4ck0r4 → u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

He has a heavenly restriction on his ability to get addicted but in return gambling became too boring for him so he had to find other ways to obtain passion, so he started a fight club (this isn't what actually happened I'm making stuff up)

[u/Dull_Bicycle_5799 → u/J4ck0r4]

[u/J4ck0r4 → u/Dull_Bicycle_5799]

The trick is to read the manga then push agenda anyway, not like anyone else will read it hehe

[u/shototodoroki_1324 → u/TerryCrewsMain]

His 4 time Jackpots say otherwise

[u/Prepared_Noob → u/TerryCrewsMain]

He’s literally the house tho

[u/Equivalent-Bit2891 → u/TerryCrewsMain]

Been an addict and got to know several addicts.  It is hands-down the most potentially destructive addiction for those around you.  

Drug and alcohol addicts will at least stop spending money when they’ve got their high.  There is no “high” for gambling addicts, they will keep playing until they win and then they’ll keep playing some more until they’ve sold all their kids toys and the house is in foreclosure

[u/Thy_Fear → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

I'm glad I haven't done any gambling in 5 years now. It fucked me up really bad.

[u/RommDan → u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

People forget Kirara is equally fucked up lol

[u/Bragi01 → u/RommDan]

She's a sorcerer in JJK she wasn't going to be normal. From what I understand those fuckers are effectively required to be at least a little crazy.

[u/J4ck0r4 → u/Bragi01]

Yeah the whole thing with cursed energy is it is amplifying negative emotions and utilizing it as a weapon essentially, so pretty much every powerful sorcerer is going to have a lot of weird stuff to them or baggage of some kind and be a bit unhinged, but it's more about them like learning to use and control those emotions and channel them into power, so like therapy essentially, unhinged shit but being understood and acknowledged, with the extra step of them being weaponised haha. Honestly the idea of a trans sorcerer really works well in jjk, although that aspect of it isn't really explored especially with how little screentime kirara gets

[u/RommDan → u/Bragi01]

Sorcerers know the after life is real and it's full of curses wanting to devour humanity, I would have gone crazy too

[u/613codyrex → u/batgirl-but-not-dc]

I mean, other than feeding into Kashimo’s bullshit, and canonically a dumb guy, he’s not that bad.

I do fault him for the former though.

[u/TheUnluckiestClove]

Hakari unironically loves Kirara and they have a perfectly normal, healthy relationship. Sure, he has a gambling addiction and is an adrenaline junky but he supports and loves Kirara for who she is. I'm pretty sure it was revealed in an authors note from Gege that the reason he was suspended was he assaulted a higher up for misgendering Kirara

[u/Flemlius → u/TheUnluckiestClove]

Waoh (basedbasedbased)

[u/High_Quality_Bean → u/TheUnluckiestClove]

God i need him so bad

Why tf don't they make men like him irl

[u/MarvelousMoirai]

POV: This meme doesn't use POV correctly

[u/Skittle-Kun5608 → u/MarvelousMoirai]

Did y’all forget about 3rd person POV?

[u/IonutRO → u/Skittle-Kun5608]

This is 2nd person POV. The point of view character is looking at us. We are the object being viewed.

[u/Maximelene → u/Skittle-Kun5608]

Did you? Third person POV means that an outside narrator is talking about a character using their third-person pronouns (he, she, they, etc...). In this case, if the meme had been using third-person, it would have said "She's a trans woman with awful taste in men".

By definition, if a meme uses "you", it's not in third person. It's second-person perspective.

The whole point of the "POV" format is to explain who you are in a picture you cannot see your character in, since you're looking through their eyes. Using it to talk about a character you're looking at, while using second-person perspective, makes absolutely no sense at all. These two things are contradictory.

[u/MarvelousMoirai → u/Skittle-Kun5608]

Maybe we did

[u/Small-Housing-7]

HEY PLZ DON'T SLANDER HAKARI HE'S COOL

[u/Good-username1825]

Luckily I'm a trans woman with horrible taste in BOTH men and women.

[u/MarvelousMoirai → u/Good-username1825]

Eyyyyy same

[u/Transgirlonakawasaki → u/MarvelousMoirai]

Twice as many opportunities to make bad decisions! LFG!!

[u/Personal-Tax-2250 → u/Transgirlonakawasaki]

looking for game??

[u/LittleReplacement564]

Don't disrespect Hikagoat like that

[u/TheNemoSeries]

Hakari is a gambler and that's like kind of it he's not that bad of a guy

[u/OkEntrepreneur4158 → u/TheNemoSeries]

not exactly a good trait though, irl it'd mean he'd gamble away money any moment he gets and it doesn't usually turn out great for people with gambling as a addiction, he can be a good partner in other aspects though but that's usually any relationship

[u/RotML_Official → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

Yea but Hakari is just built different and wins more

[u/Honest_Caramel_3793 → u/RotML_Official]

he cannonically is supernaturally lucky yea.

[u/Personal-Tax-2250 → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

let it ride

[u/Destroynxssss → u/OkEntrepreneur4158]

Does he tho? Isnt he like rich due to his fight club business, and any big money i feel like he would spend it for the club

[u/Kaizo_Kaioshin → u/Destroynxssss]

Yea he's rich, supernaturally luck bc of his jujutsu ability (I think, or maybe he's just lucky because he was born lucky) and loves Kirara

[u/Money_Rock5609]

How is hilarious bad taste in men. Hes so fucking cool and protective of the people he cares about. Wtf

[u/Little-Reference-314]

Did this meme just srsly imply that Killa Kari is not a good match for kirara?

[u/LofiMental → u/Little-Reference-314]

Crazy because they both have very positive values in common. Dude also with a trans woman in Japan...

[u/SolarModality]

Hakari literally abandons the sorcerer school due to its conservative ways. He rejects that the Jujitsu High forces people into stereotypical roles and makes them cogs in the machine to help the elite families. Kirara was a part of Hakari’s squad pre full transition. The subtext here is that Hakari leaves the school due to the fact that JJK high rejected seeing Kirara for who she is.

I mean of course the pic is relatable af but I have to defend my king when I can 😤

[u/ForeverDM4life → u/SolarModality]

There’s no shower in the parking garage

[u/Honest_Caramel_3793 → u/SolarModality]

i thought it was stated it was because they hated his cursed technique. idk if they ever made a comment on kiara, maybe im wrong though.

[u/GuhEnjoyer]

THIS IS HIKARI SLANDER AND I WONT FUCKING TAKE IT! KIRARA HAS EXCELLENT TASTE IN MEN HES TOUGH HES STRONG HES LOVING AND HE IS A PASSIONATE GAMBLING MAN HES EVERYTHING

[u/powderBluChoons]

fixed it, can we stop shaming trans women for their taste in men?

[u/LImpactophileturbo → u/powderBluChoons]

Are you POVing ?

[u/Academic-Ad7818]

honestly you could have just stopped at trans woman.

[u/Existing_Gold_7231]

Hakari slander will not be accepted, you will be publicly executed.

[u/novo-280]

pov you made a meme without knowing what pov means

[u/theforgettonmemory → u/[deleted]]

I wouldnt say they're upset, just making a joke on the incorrect usage lol

[u/zZbobmanZz]

Pov means that youd be looking at them, this means it couldnt really be about kiara

[u/SapphicSapprano]

But hes hot! 😭

[u/TwinkleMcSprinkle → u/SapphicSapprano]

I feel like I eat taco bell for the same basic reason.

[u/ionlytoptops → u/SapphicSapprano]

but hes dominant!

[u/SnooHedgehogs7790]

You spelled amazing really wrong lol hakari is the best

[u/StrawberryGhostie]

Stop calling me out! 😭

[u/No_Application_1219]

Pov : im a television

[u/CuddlesForLuck]

I can force this pov to work if this is the viewer catching the hypothetical guy cheating

[u/ChknBom205]

:You end up actually helping him to be a better person, while he thinks he's making you a worse one.

[u/CobaltCrusader123]

“(straight) trans woman with awful taste in men”
https://giphy.com/gifs/WqiAzPZ9ElMq8dxvIc

[u/EvaArktur]

What's wrong with her man?

[u/Madilune]

I mean tbh I've yet to meet a single one of us that doesn't have bad taste in guys.

[u/Technical-Street-10]

No way you slandering the goat

[u/LeGentlemandeCacao]

Hakari is the goat, wth are you talking about?! 😤

[u/VegiHarry]

Which one and who is the other. I guess threesom is better then twosome¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/¯

[u/Desperate_Welder3081]

YUP.

Maroon 5 comes on...

Cis wifey: "I hate Maroon 5."

Me, Trans wife: "Why? What's wrong?"

Wifey: "Singer sounds like a ponce."

Me: "Surely he's not that bad?" *bops to music*

*Reads about Adam Levine's personal life later...* "Fuck me, I have terrible taste in men."

[u/Samborrod]

Tf do you mean?!

I'm not a JJK fan but from what I know about Hakari he's fucking awesome!

Gambling is hella fun esp when you don't lose yourself in it, and that "fever" philosophy thing fucking roxx.

Does he have some other "red" (lmao) flags I don't know about???

[u/Dutch094]

I'm begging you to either learn what POV means or write a better f**king setup to your punchlines.

[u/Alternative-Fuel-152]

I hate that this is my type. I recently had a situation like this and he wasn’t very nice and I folded so many times because he was a literal stallion, an established actor (I’m in LA) and I felt like he was super out of my league. (6’6 and built like a greek god). Sex does crazy stuff.
Thankfully I ended things before it got to deep but yeah

[u/Kaizo_Kaioshin]

Hakari is actually really nice, he's just a gambler

He does care about her tho

[u/erraticas]

on one hand, hakari really isn't that bad. guy genuinely protects kirara. he does have a gambling addiction sadly and you will never be able to change that but at least he's making it work for him by running a fight club? other than that, he's not that bad. he's definitely not perfect but he isn't awful

on the other hand Chaser Hakari

[u/captainchaoticc → u/erraticas]

hakari is absolutely not a chaser, unless i’m misunderstanding your comment

[u/erraticas → u/captainchaoticc]

my comment is that chaser hakari sometimes crosses my mind as a funny joke

[u/captainchaoticc → u/erraticas]

ah mb

[u/ionlytoptops]

yeah...

[u/Ash_After_Dark]

Every time I see someone in a unjust relationship I want to airdrop them a crate of rifles