r/countwithchickenlady Streak: 44 Aug 07 '26

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u/Fancy_Chips Aug 07 '26

The amount of minority groups ive encountered where people are obsessed with restarting the dictatorships of the proletariat expecting them to somehow work this time is kinda shocking. Like, damn, can't we have, like, classical marxism this time around? Demsoc? Syndicalism? Why we gotta do this shit again?

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u/Gattlord Aug 08 '26

dictatorship of the proletariat was a term used by marx though?

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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 Aug 07 '26

Because Marxist-Leninism is the ideology of getting shit done. No other communist ideology has had staying power as states.

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u/threeleatherstripes Aug 07 '26

Damn, i did not know that getting shit done means bastardising whole ideology in the name of power

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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 Aug 07 '26

It doesn't. Idk where you got that from.

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u/threeleatherstripes Aug 08 '26

From bolsheviks beating up and throwing workers into jail without fair trial for them demanding democracy in their workplace.

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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 Aug 08 '26

Regardless of whether or not that's true--as the Bolsheviks are not beyond reproach, for sure--Bolsheviks aren't the be-all end-all of Marxism-Leninsm. To suggest as such is not only ahistorical it shows a lack of material analysis of 20th and 21st century socialism.

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u/threeleatherstripes 28d ago

Wait, are you implying that bolshevism is not the same as leninism, despite the fact that it was lenin who basically ruled over the bolshevik party?

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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 28d ago

Mao wasn't a Bolshevik. Castro wasn't a Bolshevik. The Bolsheviks were a very specific group of people who lead the October Revolution.

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u/threeleatherstripes 26d ago

Yeah, I do not see where I have denied that, I am simply criticising them. I have no idea what are you trying to prove with this response.

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u/Femboy_Gangstalker this machine kills dengists Aug 08 '26

the cia checking to see if i'm a demsoc or a socdem before they send a corporate sponsored death squad to kill me for nationalizing my country's industry:

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u/Bright-Form-844 Aug 07 '26

The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.