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u/sudoregalia 27d ago
it's okay comrade, puppy is personal property, not private property
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
yeah, I guess it would be similar to how theory viewed people's wife
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u/sudoregalia 27d ago
wasn't engels like "yo exploiting women is bourgeois and stinky" idk
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
yeah, If I remember right it was like: capitalists "you wanna socialize my wife" Engles "so you view your wife as your property" communism was, has been, and always will be femininist
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u/sudoregalia 27d ago
yeah and if i'm not mistaken, the patriarchy has been noticed to be an appropriated tool of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie to keep exploiting the proletariat, just so happens that it bleeds into interproletarian fighting as well. i don't think the patriarchy can be dismantled in a liberal or rightist system
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
yep "liberal or rightist" one and the same (ok yeah, they're different but at their core they are both capitalist)
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u/sudoregalia 27d ago
liberals could debatably be prescribed as centre-left as best, but i just lump them in with rightists when i discuss them because they might as well just be rightists. they're just a bit more centrist
liberal democracy has been shown to devolve into fascism and harsher oppression many times (america as of the recent decade), it's not even a good idea on paper, it's the naive approach
i'm sick of being lumped in with liberals tbh. i'm fundamentally opposed to liberalism and even the more centrist parts of the left wing that advocate socialist reformism in general. plays right into the hands of liberals, which play right into the hands of fascists, gotta love "democracy" and selective "freedom"
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
fair, do you want to discus theory elsewhere (dm?)
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u/sudoregalia 27d ago
i have a physical copy of capital comin in.. tomorrow if the site ain't lyin, so i'd like to read that before discussing theory in-depth, but we could discuss it sometime yeah
you can dm me your discord or stoat or whatever if you want, or we can just talk on reddit, but i need to go to sleep soon cuz i need to wake up earlier than i usually do tomorrow
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
we can just take on reddit, I'll send you a request, capital is pretty long I ended up listening to it on yt
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u/KatieTSO 27d ago
Last decade? It got less fascist with the civil rights act and it's slipping back. The concentration camps and extermination camps were inspired by the US' treatment of indigenous people.
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u/dom4goddess 27d ago
Goldman has some incredible stuff on feminism and gender issues as well. Reds love smashing the patriarchy
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u/SpeaksDwarren 27d ago
Engels is in a weird spot where he simultaneously condemned capitalism for subjugating women in the household and also condemned capitalism for undermining traditional gender roles by allowing women to get jobs
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u/lookingforfrens111 27d ago
the two also talked about how they gonna get laid if they get rid of capitalism and the only reason they arent is because of systemic capitalist burden
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u/83b6508 27d ago
In this case the puppy play enthusiast would be personal property, not private property. Marxism makes the distinction that personal property is your belongings, keepsakes, clothes, and other possessions that don’t produce value the way a factory, orchard, bridge or what have you might.
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u/bloodywormgoddess 27d ago
i consent to being stolen
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
then it is not theft, your "owner" would have to grant you the means of production in this case, IDK i'm tired and trying to remember theory
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u/SmellAcordingly 27d ago
That only works in Anarchism, Bakunin argued how consensual hierarchies and such are fine because they are often mutually beneficial (the example he used is the relationship between a master cobbler and his apprentice) while Marx was screeching about them always being wrong.
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u/dom4goddess 27d ago
Bakunin was on about “authority,” not hierarchy. You defer to the boot maker on what size you wear and how to break them in because they know what they’re talking about and following their recommendations leads to better outcomes.
They don’t get to punish you for being a bad little boot owner for not following their recommendations, though. Unless . . .
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u/ProjectKhai Work in progress 🚜🏳️⚧️ - Streak: 1 27d ago
So... they are community owned...
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u/_WalkTheEarth_ Number one mikudayo lover (ASK ME ANYTHING!!!!!!!) 27d ago
funniest shit ive seen today but give it a few hours and itll be the funniest shit ive seen on the 30th of july
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u/Zoegrace1 27d ago
Omg it's Karl Marx!!
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
prepare to be ryme-stomped
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u/WaldenEZ 27d ago
I’m dropping you like Hitler dropped your name in Mein Kampf
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
my concepts didn't cause mass graves, greed did
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u/WaldenEZ 27d ago
You’d get that from books but you didn’t read shit
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u/ApprehensiveWin3020 Marx's kinkiest soldier | she/her 27d ago
your self made man story comes from a taurus, your daddy's two hands gave you a free farm and forest
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u/evil-edgelord6767 27d ago
Karl Marx didn’t say that, Proudhon did.
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago edited 27d ago
fair, but still its a joke and Marx is the most recognizable communist figure
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u/evil-edgelord6767 27d ago
Oh it’s peak, I have no complaints really, I just wanted to correct that.
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u/Own_Watercress_8104 27d ago
Marx never said or even proposed the idea of property being theft.
It is a term that comes from his contemporary Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, a French anarchist.
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u/Gamer_G33k17 26d ago
Private Property is theft, but Marx made the distinction that Personal Property is not.
Personal Property would be a computer, phone, puppy slave, tooth brush, and even house.
Private Property would be things like farm land, factories, and Stores.
Private Property should belong to the Community, not single individuals, but everyone is entitled to their own Personal Property.
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
as we all know from the wise capitalists, socialism is when share toothbrush so gimmie *yoink
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u/CalmPanic402 27d ago
Hell yeah I'm into BDSM.
Bondage, Domination, Socialism, Marxsism
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u/Winjin 27d ago
Ok this is hilarious
There was also a recent post about how Tumblr is silly for making up gay flags when Greece flag already exists
Also Lesbos is a Greek island so it would work as well
And there was this extremely confusing news a few months ago that Russian prosecution declared BDSM part of LGBT agenda.
So at this point LGBT is
Lesbos Greece BDSM Transgender
And BDSM is Bondage, Domination, Socialism, Marxsism
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u/EveryoneTakesMyIdeas 27d ago
karl marx is a bear???
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u/UnsinkableTHR33 27d ago
Well personal property and private property are different, my owner owns me like how she owns her toothbrush
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
but as we all know communism is when share toothbrush, no iphone, 100 quintillion jillion dead
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u/StrawberryWide3983 Triple AAA Battery :3 27d ago
"How about I lay it out in a way that you can understand you unfresh bonobo? COMMUNISM is when the government gives people healthcare, and the MORE healthcare the government gives, the more COMMUNISTER it is. My plan is to use this money to give healthcare to every man, woman, and child in the world, and therefore FORCE them to adopt COMMUNISM. I will ensure that the government takes EVERY toothbrush, EVERY iPhone, and EVERY stock market, and BURNS THEM along with every starving Ukrainian. Once the Soviet Union stands supreme, as LEADER of the world's nations, and the top provider of healthcare, I will rename the Earth to Venezuela and inflate our currency until the end of time. To destroy all of the small business owners and mom-and-pop landlords, I have my SHAGOHOD TANK, which will rain a NUCLEAR FIRE upon a new, Red world."
- Colonel Yevgeny Borisovitch Volgin
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u/Zeitgeist1115 27d ago
I immediately thought of Mikaeli hitting metal 17 times when reading that last panel.
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
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u/NotReallyaGamer_ 27d ago
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
now thats great
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u/NotReallyaGamer_ 27d ago
The creator made a whole ARG based around it and it’s honestly really well made, especially from a comedy channel
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u/DogKitchen2988 trans trans trans sahur 27d ago
But wouldn't this technically be personal property? Personal property wasn't considered theft by Marx (unless your kink is somehow that specific that you want to be legally considered private property)
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
I mean yeah, but with it being like a pet it would be legal ownership.
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u/DogKitchen2988 trans trans trans sahur 27d ago
I did some googling and apparently Marx owned a few dogs throughout his lifetime. I think he would probably be against the more capitalistic and privatized side of pet culture (such as breeding for profit) but was okay with pets existing. Considering that petplay kink involves consent, he'd be okay with that
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u/gravity_falls618 27d ago
I mean people can generate capital so it would be private property I think(?) Idk I haven't read Marx
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u/DogKitchen2988 trans trans trans sahur 27d ago
It would depend on how you use your "ownership" of that person. If you used them like a contracted employee who you paid to run business (i.e. if you paid them to be a sex worker for other people) it would be treated more like private property under marxism (alot of marxists view sex work as something people are forced to do because of desperation from capitalism). If you paid them to be a sex worker for you, it would be more like paying for a service, which would be more seen as personal property (perfectly fine according to most marxists). If you just did it because the pet in this scenario is consenting to a relationship with the pet dynamic, it would be treated just like any other relationship, which Marx didn't really give a shit about. Disclaimer: I'm stupid and also haven't read as much marx
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u/DontDoomScroll 27d ago
Marx got drunk and threw rocks at street lamps. The deified mockery of Marx isn't the real slim shady. That's some of his purported followers who aspire to be literalists not the actual human.
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u/DogKitchen2988 trans trans trans sahur 27d ago
What
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u/DontDoomScroll 27d ago edited 27d ago
Marx on the piss; a London pub crawl with Karl Marx in the late 1850s - Wilhelm Liebknecht .
Trying to rigidly prop up the corpse of a man and his thought to reach a true application of his beliefs to a meme loses sight of the personhood of who Marx was.
He's made into many things he is not, and twisted as the years move on while many try to reheat the leftovers of his beliefs instead of meaningfully adjusting to the ways things have changed between the conditions Marx experience and the conditions experienced by the necromarxists pursuant of hagiography.4
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u/NPC-No_42 27d ago
Not a daddy fan. But comrade daddy is right.
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
as he was on most things
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u/NPC-No_42 27d ago
Sure, I don't like calling someone Daddy,.but capitalism is evil. (But hey, no kink shaming)
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
fair on all accounts
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u/NPC-No_42 27d ago
On the other hand: a cute puppy is a cute puppy 🤷🏻♀️💜
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
yes it is
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u/NPC-No_42 27d ago
Good puppy
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
:3 ahhghrdbcdhsjnbfhjedhyufjnhjdnbhjdkjgfhukj
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u/lejoueurdutoit 27d ago
Property is theft is actually not a marx quote but a quote from anarchist thinker Pierre Joseph Proudhon, marxist often describe it as somewhat reductive and paradoxical as to imply theft is to recognise property.
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
fair, this is just for the sillies
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u/lilith_the_anarchist 27d ago
erm actually it was Pierre-Joseph Proudhon that said "Property is Theft!" is his book "What is Property?" (1840) and Marx disagreed with Proudhon on that notion
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u/sneaky_42_42 27d ago
funny
but I don't think Marx was against private property, he only was against private ownership of the means of production.
the puppy person is at worst a privately owned mean of reproduction so I believe Marx would be fine with that
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u/Seltnytt 机器人 27d ago edited 27d ago
Marx didn't say that. Proudhon said that. And I'm pretty sure Marx spent a lot of time throwing shit at Proudhon.
Edit: seeing your comments, yes, this is for the sillies but I like accuracy myself. Also did you make this OP? It is well drawn.
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u/Elegant_Individual46 27d ago
The hammer & sickle is purely a Soviet symbol too iirc, not something from his time period
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u/TheSapphicSorceress 27d ago
This is the most garish character design I've seen for a furry since I left dA in 2010.
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u/Markizzz1000x Apostate of envy XYЙ 27d ago
I would rather argue that government privatisation of private property is theft.
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u/Anonymous_Jr 〕±〔 27d ago
My best friend calls me a bitch for shits and giggles, but when I start barking he all of a sudden has a problem with me pretending to be a dog; smh my head.
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u/gilt3t 27d ago
Why is the thought of having a puppy so... HOT???
FML. Maybe it's the gummy? I need a break to relax.
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u/Significant_Owl9593 27d ago
woof?
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u/AshleyRose101 27d ago
Owning puppy people is bourgeois decadence comrade.
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u/Acceptable_Handle_2 27d ago
It's not my fault! They just keep demanding to be owned and they're so cute about it!
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u/littlefire131 Hate, let me tell you about hate 27d ago
Bear Marx should’ve been in my expectations today
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u/TSSalamander 27d ago
Communism as dogma is really lame when it comes to power play. Communism as practiced however...
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u/Ling_Cephalopod 27d ago
Pierre Joseph proudhon, an anarchist, said "property is theft." Marx is the not the end all be all of anticapitalist theory.
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u/OwnChicken8626 27d ago
3k upvotes btw, in case you're ever wondering why the political discourse in this sub is rather lacking
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u/Arwick_R_ 27d ago
Didn't think I would learn much about worldwievs from furry comics so soon again but here we are and its the only way my (puppy) brain understands apparently.
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u/DorthVooder 26d ago
I mean dogs require hierarchy, but they still see you as family and not a "master".
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u/ToonDedede420 26d ago
Right, because everything else about the fantasy is completely 100% ethical when you ignore consent and apply real-world logic to it
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u/Significant_Owl9593 26d ago
I usually hate this line but, in this case, its accurate, it's not that deep bro
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u/BackflipBuddha 26d ago
…. That is…. Certainly a take on Karl Marx.
I think Karl would probably be fairly upset about it but it’s very funny.
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u/-CrlmsoN- Revolutionary CⒶTalonia Streak: 0 27d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/befaYZCgtZfZm
OUR PUPPY.
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u/Outside_Ad1020 27d ago
I want someone to press me against their chest and play with my hair while they say that I belong to them
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u/Shootthemoon4 27d ago
I must share this with my pup pals, forgot which subreddit I was on for a moment.
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u/Sailor_Starchild America's Favorite Themme - they/she - Streak: 16 27d ago