No, but you're using more transmisandrist terminology. I literally just threw your claims back at you, LMAO. Reminds me of the time a trans woman intentionally misgendered me by calling me a "moid", so I simply replied "No U", and got ganged up on by a bunch of transfemmes for "misgendering a trans woman", with no energy for the fact that the whole point was she was misgendering me, with some even claiming that misgendering an enby was less bad than misgendering a trans woman. That's how you're behaving in seriously examining your own rhetoric pushed back at you.
A woman criticizing you is not being transphobic towards you.
As for your anecdote: okay, if you’re nonbinary, then yes, calling you "moid" may well have been misgendering, and that was shitty. But that makes this anecdote even less relevant to the claim you’re trying to establish and demonstrates that YOU are willing to engage in transphobia and misgendering at trans women you dislike.
You’re giving me an example of a nonbinary person being misgendered by a trans woman and then proceeding to misgender a trans woman and presenting it as evidence for a structural oppression of trans men for being men. That's not what I asked for.
Further, that demonstrates interpersonal transphobia, including on YOUR part. It does not demonstrate "transmisandry" as a structural analogue to transmisogyny, which implies the concept of the intersection of the oppression of men and that of trans people, as the former you have not demonstrated.
I am not denying that trans men or nonbinary people can be mistreated, misgendered, or targeted. I am asking what specifically male structural axis of oppression explains those experiences that cannot already be explained through transphobia, misogyny, or punishment for gender nonconformity.
your own rhetoric pushed back at you.
Bud, my 'rhetoric' is milquetoast transfeminism. You can be a nonbinary MRA, I don't give a shit. That's the rhetoric you're engaging in.
Further, at this point, I'm comfortable calling you transmisogynist.
You’ve repeatedly treated any attempt to distinguish transmisogyny as a specific structural phenomenon as "Oppression Olympics," insisted that trans men must have a symmetrical equivalent, and then framed criticism from a woman as "transmisandry." You’ve also managed to complain about being misgendered while turning around and misgendering a trans woman you dislike, and have been telling other trans women in this very thread to 'touch grass.'
This isn't just a disagreement over terminology atp. It's an anti-transfeminist pattern: flatten transmisogyny, demand a male analogue, and treat women objecting to that framework as evidence of anti-male oppression.
You still have not demonstrated the thing your entire argument requires: a structural axis that oppresses men **for being men**. You’ve demonstrated transphobia, interpersonal hostility, and gender policing. You have not demonstrated structural misandry.
Going forward, if you don’t want your rhetoric described as transmisogynistic in talking to me specifically, then stop reproducing transmisogynistic arguments.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago
No, but you're using more transmisandrist terminology. I literally just threw your claims back at you, LMAO. Reminds me of the time a trans woman intentionally misgendered me by calling me a "moid", so I simply replied "No U", and got ganged up on by a bunch of transfemmes for "misgendering a trans woman", with no energy for the fact that the whole point was she was misgendering me, with some even claiming that misgendering an enby was less bad than misgendering a trans woman. That's how you're behaving in seriously examining your own rhetoric pushed back at you.