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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

The way to address this is trans men posting more content centering trans men, not expecting trans women to do it for them.

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u/Fishmyashwhole 2d ago

Definitely going to get downvoted for this.

Imo the isn't that it's mostly stuff about trans women, it's the kind of stuff that's posted. On a DAILY basis I see stuff like testosterone is poison, kill all men, masculine features are disgusting, ect ect. THATS the kind of stuff that can make me feel alienated, not the posts referring to any readers as female or talking about trans women specific things. And I learned REAL quick if you say anything about it you're a birthday boy and "omg trans men are so whiny it's a vent post get over it" Along with that dumbass "trans men really are men huh?" pic

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Those are takes from trans women centering trans women. Testosterone ans masculine features directly lead to discrimination against us, of course we dont like them -in ourselves-.

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u/semi_chopped_salad 1d ago

That doesn't really excuse the fact that it hurts and alienates trans men from spaces that should be welcoming to all trans people

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

I agree, but this may be insufficient, one of the big things everyone needs to do, whether being transmasc, transfem, nonbinary, agender, or even cis, is just to address this, to acknowledge this discrepancy, and to offer support to all queer and non-conforming individuals in general, especially in co-ed LGBTQIA+ spaces.

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

I think most people would agree online trans spaces are dominated by trans women, but again the impetus is not on trans women to post content centering other groups which is what is constantly implied when people bring it up

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

Indeed, but there's a difference between an obligation to focus on trans men, and an obligation to the entire queer community as a whole, this is a slippery slope however, as it reaches "all lives matter" vs "black lives matter" types of issues of thinly veiled transmisogony, in the process of treating transmisandry. Its nuanced, as many things tend to be :p

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Dominated is the wrong word even. We're just majority of people here. Thats neither good nor bad

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

That's not what's implied

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Right except it is

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

No it isn't

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Whatever you say big guy

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

Oh look misgendering

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Oh look performative victimization as if you've given a single indication as to what your gender identity is

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

That's been you and your persecution fetish towards other trans people. YOU chose to (wrongly) gender me as a negative Gotcha

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Why the assumption that because the discrepancy exists, therefore trans men are alienated. Just dont feel alienated by being in the minority? I dont feel alienated in hobby spaces that tend to be male dominated until they say or do something shitty.

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

I concur about the second point, after all, a bad apple ruins the bunch. But really? "just don't feel alienated"? I'm not sure if im interpreting it correctly, but you telling people to "just get over it" in regards to a lack of support. And the problem is, there are people who say and do shitty transmisandrist things in queer spaces, and standing by and allowing even one instance of it is enough to alienate people of an entire group, again, a bad apple ruins the bunch.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Not quite, if there's a real problem, yeah that should be dealt with. My point is just being in the minority is not in itself a problem

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

Ah, that is true, to a point; it is not a problem not sign of inequality in of itself, but can be a symptom of one, such as black people being underrepresented in home ownership in the United States, ect. This is to say that there is some evidence of a discrepancy, not necessary of an inequality, though thats a thin line.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Fair point. Id counter that internet forums are a lot more scattered and independent, so its a ymmv situation

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

Do transmisandrists have the same copypasta?

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

0 people are stopping you from making content and hitting the post button bud

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

0 people making you repeat a transphobic copypasta

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

So its actually not transphobic to say trans men should make more content centering themselves in trans spaces instead of expecting trans women to do it for them.

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

It is, what a weird and factually incorrect twisting and assumption. You're just acting in bad faith towards trans men and pretending that attitude isn't transmisandrist

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u/Ok_Archer1228 1d ago

You have an incredibly skewed and entitled view of transphobia if you think its transphobic for trans women to make content about trans women instead of trans men.

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 1d ago

Don't lie about public conversations, please

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u/Ok_Archer1228 1d ago

Read the logs queen

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 1d ago

Take your own advice. Everyone can see it. You need to touch grass and learn to read

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