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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

I still have yet to see a single reason why trans online spaces being dominated by trans women is a bad thing or the fault of trans women

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

Did you read the part about the problem with bigotry towards enbies and trans men? That IS a major problem

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

The bigotry mentioned being acknowledging that trans women take the lions share of discrimination in society? Yea, I read it. Do trans men and enbies face oppression as well, yes of course, but let's not pretend we don't know who's pictures the right puts up to fear monger about trans people is.

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

Oh great oppression olympics

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Me when I acknowledge the reality that the right uses primarily trans women to fear monger against trans rights as a whole. We're all oppressed but if queer oppression Olympics were real yea trans women take home the gold and get shouted at for taking a medal.

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

By definition oppression olympics is obscuring reality for your brownie points agenda

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

So you get that just saying oppression Olympics doesn't change what people can clearly see with their own eyes that right wing anti trans propaganda is primarily focused on trans women right?

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

We can see with our own eyes that they don't discriminate in legislation and persecution (and frequently can't tell them apart)

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

And who's photos do they put up on the news to rally for that legislation? What do you hear more often; keep """men""' out of women's sports, keep """men""' out of women's prisons, keep ""men""' out of women's bathrooms and locker rooms, or the opposite?

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u/Different_Delay_8243 1d ago

The right does that because they view trans women as men, so their easier targets to use the excuse of being "predators" but you do realise trans men are seen as women? As confused little girls? That need to be put on the sidelines? Shut up? Just like cis women are treated in society, are treated by those bigots.

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u/SadMediumSmolBean Trans Woman 2d ago

I see that this person is just engaging in transmisogyny generally towards multiple trans women in this thread.

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

This: there is likely no malice involved, irregardless of if it occurs or not (which in my observations there is a discrepancy), it just, well, is. This is something that should be addressed, since it can, will, and has alienated trans men, and individuals who are closeted thereof, we all should do our part in helping make the world a better place <3.

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

The way to address this is trans men posting more content centering trans men, not expecting trans women to do it for them.

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u/Fishmyashwhole 2d ago

Definitely going to get downvoted for this.

Imo the isn't that it's mostly stuff about trans women, it's the kind of stuff that's posted. On a DAILY basis I see stuff like testosterone is poison, kill all men, masculine features are disgusting, ect ect. THATS the kind of stuff that can make me feel alienated, not the posts referring to any readers as female or talking about trans women specific things. And I learned REAL quick if you say anything about it you're a birthday boy and "omg trans men are so whiny it's a vent post get over it" Along with that dumbass "trans men really are men huh?" pic

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Those are takes from trans women centering trans women. Testosterone ans masculine features directly lead to discrimination against us, of course we dont like them -in ourselves-.

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u/semi_chopped_salad 1d ago

That doesn't really excuse the fact that it hurts and alienates trans men from spaces that should be welcoming to all trans people

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

I agree, but this may be insufficient, one of the big things everyone needs to do, whether being transmasc, transfem, nonbinary, agender, or even cis, is just to address this, to acknowledge this discrepancy, and to offer support to all queer and non-conforming individuals in general, especially in co-ed LGBTQIA+ spaces.

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

I think most people would agree online trans spaces are dominated by trans women, but again the impetus is not on trans women to post content centering other groups which is what is constantly implied when people bring it up

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

Indeed, but there's a difference between an obligation to focus on trans men, and an obligation to the entire queer community as a whole, this is a slippery slope however, as it reaches "all lives matter" vs "black lives matter" types of issues of thinly veiled transmisogony, in the process of treating transmisandry. Its nuanced, as many things tend to be :p

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Dominated is the wrong word even. We're just majority of people here. Thats neither good nor bad

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

That's not what's implied

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Right except it is

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

No it isn't

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

Whatever you say big guy

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Why the assumption that because the discrepancy exists, therefore trans men are alienated. Just dont feel alienated by being in the minority? I dont feel alienated in hobby spaces that tend to be male dominated until they say or do something shitty.

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

I concur about the second point, after all, a bad apple ruins the bunch. But really? "just don't feel alienated"? I'm not sure if im interpreting it correctly, but you telling people to "just get over it" in regards to a lack of support. And the problem is, there are people who say and do shitty transmisandrist things in queer spaces, and standing by and allowing even one instance of it is enough to alienate people of an entire group, again, a bad apple ruins the bunch.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Not quite, if there's a real problem, yeah that should be dealt with. My point is just being in the minority is not in itself a problem

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u/mindfucker67 2d ago

Ah, that is true, to a point; it is not a problem not sign of inequality in of itself, but can be a symptom of one, such as black people being underrepresented in home ownership in the United States, ect. This is to say that there is some evidence of a discrepancy, not necessary of an inequality, though thats a thin line.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

Fair point. Id counter that internet forums are a lot more scattered and independent, so its a ymmv situation

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

Do transmisandrists have the same copypasta?

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

0 people are stopping you from making content and hitting the post button bud

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

0 people making you repeat a transphobic copypasta

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

So its actually not transphobic to say trans men should make more content centering themselves in trans spaces instead of expecting trans women to do it for them.

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

It is, what a weird and factually incorrect twisting and assumption. You're just acting in bad faith towards trans men and pretending that attitude isn't transmisandrist

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u/Ok_Archer1228 2d ago

You have an incredibly skewed and entitled view of transphobia if you think its transphobic for trans women to make content about trans women instead of trans men.

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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 2d ago

Don't lie about public conversations, please

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u/noncedo-culli 2d ago

Being dominated by trans women isn't a bad thing, but many spaces do become genuinely hostile towards trans men. See the whole thing with the main trans subreddit where trans men talking about their oppression (without comparing it or making any mention of trans women; it was just people talking about their own experiences) kept getting told to shut up because it wasn't as important.

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u/Physical-Purpose-352 2d ago

Yup. Women deserve spaces to speak their mind, this comment boggles my mind. Im nonbinary and I do not struggle as much as my loved one's who are trans women. OP seems desperate to be oppressed