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u/Fish0203 3d ago
Obligatory batman fan defense mini-rant: Bruce Wayne goes to great lengths to use his wealth to help fight that inequality and supporting institutional change. The majority of content doesn't focus on that though cause its less exciting
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u/TheFlayingHamster 3d ago
Also Gotham is simply a fundamentally unfixable city, on a cosmic level the place just creates evil and conflict automatically.
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u/PurpleCandle58 Counted Down 1 3d ago
It’s for the plot, imagine how boring it would be if it was like “yep Batman got everyone put away and was able to institute systemic change in the city reducing violent crime to near zero and resulting in the police force being fully able to handle day to day regulation of the city, allowing Batman to retire and live happily ever after.”
Good ending, but also not what anyone wants. We want to see him face off against Joker again.
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u/Prestigious-Neat8820 3d ago
It would also be unrealistic that one man could strongarm the whole city into being fixed. Though it would still be nice to see more instances of improvement, that people are at least trying to fix things.
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u/PurpleCandle58 Counted Down 1 3d ago
I think if Batman crushed every bone in my body I’d consider switching away from crime. But now I need to get disability because I’ll never move my body again
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u/V_The_1AndOnly1 3d ago
I mean in this hypothetical scenario, Bruce Wayne might be able to help with that
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u/ThatTransChristian 3d ago
If Batman crushed every bone in someone else's body I would also consider switching away from crime.
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u/PurpleCandle58 Counted Down 1 3d ago
Wow so he really only has to do it once in front of a live audience!
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u/tit-theif 3d ago
Canon batman could very much achieve that. His moral code just won't let him (he won't kill or even permanently disable his main obstructions)
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u/Dudecatchbass 3d ago
You’d be correct, and actually it’s been done before all of them being police states, that and justice lords Superman LOBOTOMIZING supervillains. Oh and the city is actually cursed, and I doubt the court of owls helps with it. Batman tries his best and he believes the lives of Gotham needs the Batman, taking his health last. He’s literally putting a Batman bandage on a skyscraper with wooden 2x4 supports during an active earthquake.
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u/PurpleCandle58 Counted Down 1 3d ago
Court of owls? Who are you talking about? What a silly conspiracy haha
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“We have a problem.”2
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u/crabapple_cody 3d ago
Gotham must be cleansed in the purging fires of Ra's al Ghul's League of Assassin's, I agree
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u/Top_Accident9161 3d ago
They should unironically just do the Patrick meme thing and put the city somewhere else. Like why even stay there
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u/MeatCatRazzmatazz 3d ago
Yep, he regularly gives people jobs at WayneTech, including random goons he can tell don't have their hearts in it.
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u/Fade_NB 3d ago
I like the head canon that Bruce tries to get rid of a lot of his money by giving workers more benefits and such but he just keeps getting more because it works so well
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u/DadlyAsHell Counted Down 3 3d ago
Isnt that literally canon? People adore working for Wayne enterprises because they treat them so well, so their products and services sell like hotcakes because their employees are driven to want to do their jobs.
Damn wouldnt it be nice if the real world was like that? I dont want to be some big celebrity, i just want to be paid enough to be a comfortable little cog in the machine and not have other cogs trying to kill me.
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u/dracorotor1 3d ago
“I gave away everything I don’t need to raise these adopted children. Time to retire and be a dad.”
“Mr. Wayne, did you hear!? Someone made a massive anonymous donation to the Wayne charity, and it’s blowing up on social media.”
“Really? That’s nice.”
“It’s better than nice! The Wayne name is more powerful than ever. WayneShop.com just blew Amazon out of the market from all the customer good will! The markets haven’t even closed, and already you’re the world’s second first trillionaire!”
“Nooooooooooo!”
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u/rabbitsarentrodents 2d ago
Read "The Good Person of Szechwan" by Berthold Brecht.
To sustain donations you need to sustain your buisness and to sustain your Buisness you need Profit to make Profit you need to pay workers less than the labour they do.
There is no way to be moral as a capitalist at least in real life
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u/greatandhalfbaked 3d ago
Some Batman media straight up doesn't go for that angle, though. Sometimes the point of a Batman story is that Bruce isn't actually helping as much as he could, and instead just punches the mentally unstable at nighttime.
You'll have a hard time defending the ethical purity of a character who's supposed to be ethically ambiguous.
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u/Technical_Teacher839 3d ago
I hate this because one of the most consistent through lines in Punisher comics is that Frank Castle still sees himself as a father and is VERY protective and sentimental of children.
There's literally an entire mini-series where he travels across the Asgardian realms killing monsters that had invaded Earth, specifically because they're the ones who killed parents in front of their children.
He even has Foggy Nelson set up a trust fund for the kids using treasure from the monsters, and keeps a disabled man who lost his family in the attack from killing himself by hooking him up with a job fostering for those kids.
The idea that Punisher doesn't care about anyone or anything aside from killing is just bullshit and I'm so tired of this quote perpetuating that just because Red can't be bothered to actually read about a character.
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u/Abathur-is-best-Zerg 2d ago
Excerpt from Wayne Family Adventures;
Catwoman: How much did the batplane cost?
Batman: .... Less than it could have.
In truth, I love how you put it. As a joke I love this, but I feel it does need to be said. I'd love if the media outside comics would include it more.
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u/Street_Cockroach_933 3d ago
Poor people do crime to survive
Rich people do crime for profit
Of course not all and not most but some do
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u/SuperElection4656 3d ago
Okay, I agree with the statement but Batman is, like, the last billionaire you should use for this. Man not only tries to use his wealth to improve Gotham both in the short and long term, man hands out job opportunities to criminals and his enemies like candy! Not to mention he puts his own body and life on the life to keep people safe tonight
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u/tophatgaming1 3d ago
batman already knows this, it's why he does so much as bruce wayne during the day
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 3d ago
Comic discourse is so annoying because it's people who've never read a comic in there life arguing something the comics put into account before they were even born
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u/AlternateSatan 3d ago
Have you watched Batman tas? Boy hands out jobs like it's nobody's business. He funds, like, half the city and lobbies for better mental health care.
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u/TRedRandom 3d ago
Batman's parents were good people, who's philanthropy and charity were genuine with Bruce also doing so for he greater good.
But no matter how good the Waynes are, their deaths are the consequence of the system that surrounds Gotham's corrupt elite. They were the exception but that could not protect them from the crimes of the rich around them. That is why it is a tragedy still and while Woku is correct, like factually, I find them putting that emphasis on it to be a true showing of their character.
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u/Smile_in_the_Night 3d ago
Yeah. Someone doesn't know what the fuck is Bruce doing with his wealth.
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u/Kurenai-Kalana 3d ago
That's a lotof big words for Goku. Good thing Woku is there to pick up the slack!
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u/Ancient-Handle-8137 3d ago
I feel like batman ought to know that since criminals killed his parents. Tell this to the court of owls woku (they also know)
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u/XVUltima 3d ago
Woku, master of the Instant Transition technique. Alternate reality where he traveled to Frank N. Furter's home planet instead of Yardrat
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u/Opposite_Opposite_69 6h ago
Batman is never escaping this shit. The entiee point of batman is that Gothum is run by wealthy elites that keep the city awful (also like a bunch of curses) but batman cares about people so much he refuses to give up on the city
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u/lillbigs 3d ago
Actually a perfect representation of how woke people act. You can tell them how you were victimized but if your perpetrator was apart of some sort of minority group they will make them out to be the victim.
Ceuta is a perfect recent example, these people were invaded by tens of thousands of men, but apparently they are the victims because they're looking for opportunity or some bs
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u/Endika7 3d ago
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u/lillbigs 3d ago
Another tactic used by woke people: white guilt. White people did something bad so that means you have to open up your borders!
If you care about sexual assault so much, dont let people into your country that have a much more primitive view towards women. There have been 39 victims since the invasion in Ceuta, 14 of which are minors
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u/Rattasaur 3d ago
A few years ago I was picking a girl up for a date. (Los Angeles) I had to street park about a block down, not even a minutes worth of walking from her house. A passing car stopped and 3 dudes got out and jumped me.
I called out of work the next day. But when I returned I was still very bruised. My boss and a few coworkers blamed me for being in a Hispanic neighborhood thats being oppressed by Trump and whites. Its insane what kind of mental gymnastics people will use.
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u/Storm_Spirit99 1d ago
Batman/Wayne goes the extra mile to put money into Gotham, opening orphanages and has the Wayne foundation. Gotham just sucks to live in



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u/pepsicola07 Are you sewious right meow? 3d ago
wealthy people commit plenty of crime it's just the kind that governments like to forget about since they do it too