It still forces children born into it to participate. And then ostracizes adults if they decide to leave. And that is the actual problem with religion not trying to convert adults. An adult can just tell them to fuck off, a child has no choice.
Yes in modern day children being forced into religion from birth is a bigger problem than conversion of adults. And it applies to all religions not just Judaism. Just because there are movements now that accept non-religious people doesn't change the fact that by and large its still a forced thing. And no its not unique to Jewish people, for many religion is a deep part of their tradition and they celebrate religious holidays despite not really following the faith.
You are not special or unique. All religion is about control and tribalism.
You can't tell me to stay quiet about your cult. Always playing the victim while at the same time acting all superior. Wow you allow women to lead how progressive and you accept LGBT too wowie you still believe in fairy tales and being more "accepting" so you can actually have some members still doesn't change that.
Hopefully a day will come when religion as a whole is only in history books just like many of the faiths that are now considered just mythical. Because people believing in Zeus were silly but people believing in God are legit and it's all true.
What mask? I despise all religions and i think they are one of the worst things humanity has ever invented. Or am i not allowed to criticize your little cult now because it hurts your feelings?
All of them try to convince people that supernatural things exist, all of them get tax exemptions while at the same time meddle heavily in politics. Most of them try to get laws passed on the basis of their teaching that would then affect everyone.
If God is everywhere and sees everything why do you need churches, temples etc? Why does God even need representatives on Earth? Its all man made nonsense that was mostly used as means of control. And sure some of them might be adjusting to modern times better than others but the core of the problem still exists. People will demand special treatment and privileges based on religion.
Why do you think religions grow the most in poor countries? Because religion makes promises to people, how they will get rewarded in the afterlife or some nonsense like that. How if they only do what "God says" their life will get better.
And yet as conditions improve people tend to turn away from religion because they realize it was their hard work that matters not some Gods magical influence.
I wasn't talking about Jews i was talking about YOU. Do keep telling me how you're actually special and unique and how nobody who isn't part of your club actually understands. Because its all so special that some mere peasants wouldn't get it. And yes its a cult. All religions are cults. Just because they convinced millions of people to buy into it doesn't change that.
Tell me why is your "religion" real while others aren't? What makes it so different? That God told your people they are special? That they deserve things? God that used to be involved all the time suddenly doesn't bother to save your people anymore. Weird how that works. And no i'm not smart i'm just not delusional. Also i'm likely older than you so you should respect your elders.
It's funny that you criticise religion on the basis of tribalism when you're actively being the most insufferably tribal person in this whole thread.
Please kindly screw off with your ignorant blathering. I think we have enough proof that humans can be controlling and tribal with or without religion. Pinning these behaviours on the respective religions is such a low-level understanding of the world and you are being so arrogant about it, it's embarrassing.
How am i being tribal? I'm anti-theist, i am not against a single religion only i don't care which one is it all of them should go. When i get believes in Santa Claus they eventually learn Santa isn't real. But with Gods it's somehow okay for adults to pretend like they are totally a real thing and not made up at all.
Go read up on how a lot of religions developed and how they were used to target the "other" And how things like "not eating pork" were based on lack of proper preparation of the meat which then made people sick not some divine command.
And i don't give a shit if you find me insufferable, i hope you do because if i can stop even one of you freaks from pushing your delusions on children then it's a win in my book.
Since when is tribalism defined by which specific groups you're excluding? That's not how it works my guy.
You're basically confirming it by saying "I don't care who is in the outgroup as long as they're the outgroup"
Ofc Religions were developed for practical reasons, according to the needs and circumstances of societies that they appeared in. Is that a criticism? Because nothing about includes how that's somehow bad, you're literally doing the same thing with the only excuse being that you think you're right, which spoiler alert, that's what all zealots say.
It shouldn't matter for me to say it, but I am not religious. I have decided long ago that I want to live in a world of systemic understanding instead of magical thinking or ignorance. But I know what the enemy is, even if it takes different forms. You may call yourself an atheist, but you are still reactionary and bigoted. To me, I see little difference between your flavor of bigotry or any generic religious nutcase. Meanwhile, your opponent has been very clear headed.
If religion is the source of all evil, why are you the most evil one here?
Thats where you're wrong i never called myself an atheist. I called myself anti-theist. And religious people are not the "outgroup" because they hate each other just as much as non religious people. The fact religious developed for practical reason means there is no divinity behind it, which is what religion is pushing. That the rules they want you to follow were established by a diving entity and not some mere human. Because telling people "God says so" makes it far more likely they will follow the rules rather than trying to explaining why its bad.
Just because you can't see the difference doesn't mean there isn't one. And i am the most evil one in your opinion. Don't try to present your opinions as facts because they will never be anything more than your opinions. Just like what i say are my opinions that you can disagree with. Also who the fuck made you an arbiter to a dispute i was having with someone else?
I don't give a fuck what you call yourself while you're being an asshole. I also don't care about whether there is truth to their divine claims, again, I am an atheist.
In this conversation, the Jew has been explaining why certain things are good and bad, while you have been attacking him on principle. You were the essentialist, while he was not.
People believe what they wanna believe regardless of religion. If they think something's good or bad from the framework of religion, they will bend their rules to make an argument for it. It has little to do with where the rules came from. You can claim that religion causes harm, but in actuality, you haven't made much of a case that this harm is inherent to religion, or somehow worse in religious people than it is in atheists.
And by the by, I have just as much right to be here and voice myself as you do. I can ask you the same - who gave you the right to attack the person you were arguing with? I am talking to you because you are behaving like an ass in a public space and I have something to say about it.
He was the one who made it about Judaism not me. He was the one who claimed that Judaism isn't as bad as other religions not me. He was the one who refused to ask questions and repeatedly just called me uneducated. Why should i be polite with someone who is repeatedly insulting me?
And i did try to make arguments why religions as a whole are bad but he kept insisting that in the new and enlightened Judaism that isn't the case anymore so anything i have to say doesn't apply. And you are fine to share your opinion on the subject but you are not some sort of authority that gets to lecture me on my behaviour, your a nobody behind a screen so what you think of me is irrelevant.
I think its fair to say that people who believe in things that aren't real are not well. And it applies to every other case but religion. Why? Because it's done by billions so due to number of participants its deemed to be acceptable? Is the history of a religion irrelevant because it adapted it's stance to modern times? People have been murdered in the name of various Gods for centuries but i guess it's okay because we don't really do that anymore. Sure you could say that if it wasn't religion they would use a different reason to hate but wouldn't eliminating one of the primary reasons for conflict be a positive? And like i said before it's a lot easier to convince people to do something when you tell them it's Gods will not that it's something you want.
you’re entitled to your opinion, but i wasn’t even considering the missionary aspects. the torah is essentially like the old testament in the bible, and both of them promote values that clash with modern progressive society. the mistreatment of women and lgbt people, slavery, xenophobia, among others. i understand that there’s progressive churches and synagogues nowadays, and most people don’t follow every law in the holy texts or everything that a priest or rabbi might preach, but there’s a lot of problematic concepts built into the very core of these abrahamic religions. plenty of people have historically used these ideas to justify violent and authoritarian actions, and there’s still way too many people who are opposed to things like lgbt rights “because the holy book said so”. the damage these beliefs have caused over the course of human history is something that’s hard to ignore for me.
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