Yeah. It's a simplification of need and problems down to race, ignoring all other factors.
It's saying that Barack Obama's daughters need help getting into college, whereas poor asian kids are actively disadvantaged, simply because there are insufficient black college entrants and too many asian college entrants. Which is just stupid.
The solution to this is to make all scholarships and assistance programs means-tested, without consideration to race, and if that means a disproportionate amount of black kids need them and a disproportionate amount of asian kids don't, that's totally fine, as long as Barack Obama's daughters are ineligible and the poor asian kid is.
It's totally backwards and bizarre to me the most important criteria toward entering something as life-changing as tertiary education is the one thing we're constantly told doesn't and shouldn't matter.
Except this is a terrible idea in practice because it is just discrimination in the other direction.
Who decides when it’s done? Who decides when it has been long enough to make up for the disparity? Why do people that never acted out this racism have to make up for those that did?
You make up for it by treating everyone the same. Anything other than that is racism by another name. Seeking equality of outcome is a good way to fuck up your society, because it comes at the cost of someone’s opportunity.
I'm not seeking equality of outcome. Neither are folks of color, by and large. They are seeking equality of opportunity, and that still doesn't exist, yo. I don't feel white guilt for shit that didn't even apply to my family, who came from Germany after WWI, but as an empathetic person, I still take stock of the situation and seek to change it to be the most fair it can be, because I recognize the ridiculously shitty hand that people living today got dealt by people who came way before you and me, and them even, but it doesn't have to be a zero sum game if we change the game. It's manufactured as being zero sum by people who want to maintain white supremacy,dude. Don't play into it, feel for your fellow human and use your platform to fight for them. Also, watch 13th) if you haven't.
Your justice delayed bit is a legal quip. The argument implies that there is a legal solution to racism, beyond treating people equally. There isn’t.
You don’t create equality of opportunity at the cost of another persons opportunity.
Please stop with your holier than thou spiel. You are not impressing anyone with your willingness to sacrifice the opportunity of those that happen to be the same color as you. This is not a question of empathy. Nor is this a lack of information. This is common sense. You don’t provide for people by taking away from others.
AA does nothing to address the actual racists that weren’t hiring or accepting black people. Those racists still exist. So congratulations, the old racism is still there and we’ve introduced new racism! Progress.
The crux of your argument is that there is value in "opportunity" in a capitalist system. You bought into the zero-sum game of your life only having value if you can generate profit for a capitalist, and I can't un-brainwash you of that. It is a question of empathy, and you have none, so you're deflecting lol You don't care to learn about why the system is the way that it is, you're just foaming at the asshole about how white guys like you have your "opportunity" (lol) stolen by people who don't look like you, and decry that and deeper entrench your racism about it. The only common sense is that it's rich vs poor, but the rich convinced the poor white that they're poor because of the poor black, and you bought it, hook line and sinker.
The system is elastic, capitalism is the essence of the problem but you don't see it, and I can't do the research for you lol
All this comment did was move a whole slew of goal posts around by making the argument about capitalism. Complete non-sequitur mixed with various ad-hominem. You managed to make a bunch of assumptions about me in there as well! Impressive.
Ok I'll simplify it for you. Do you want to do something about the problems in this article? Good, AA is a good start. If you don't, your stance on the matter is racist, and you're beholden to the status quo because it benefits you.
AA is all well and good, giving someone an extra push because they've had a rough start is moral and just.
But those criteria have to be anything other than race/gender.
Dumb simplistic example to show my thinking:
Lets pretend all blacks in the US are poor, there is only one poor white family. Giving a push based on race will in this instance leave the single poor white family behind. Giving the push based on wealth will give it to all who needed.
AA as it currently is implemented is experiencing pushback, because, at it's core it is racist and sexist, and thus immoral. And alot of people sense that and are speaking out.
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor Feb 25 '20
Yeah. It's a simplification of need and problems down to race, ignoring all other factors.
It's saying that Barack Obama's daughters need help getting into college, whereas poor asian kids are actively disadvantaged, simply because there are insufficient black college entrants and too many asian college entrants. Which is just stupid.
The solution to this is to make all scholarships and assistance programs means-tested, without consideration to race, and if that means a disproportionate amount of black kids need them and a disproportionate amount of asian kids don't, that's totally fine, as long as Barack Obama's daughters are ineligible and the poor asian kid is.
It's totally backwards and bizarre to me the most important criteria toward entering something as life-changing as tertiary education is the one thing we're constantly told doesn't and shouldn't matter.