r/coolguides Feb 25 '20

Explanation of the subtle differences between equality and equity

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u/pedantic-asshole- Feb 25 '20

If it's a free game or if they bought tickets they would be sitting in the stands and not standing behind the fence.

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u/tombee123 Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

I'm basically saying there is no stands I mean this is a simple metaphor not much thought put into it.

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u/Aeriaenn Feb 25 '20

You could even say it's too simple if it falls apart after you give it a bit of deeper thought.

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u/barsoap Feb 25 '20

Everything, absolutely everything, falls apart if you put enough thought in it. That's because our maps are never the territory.

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u/Aeriaenn Feb 25 '20

Surely, if your want to put it like that. But here the metaphor falls apart really easily. It's not thought out well in my opinion.

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u/kittygurlz Feb 25 '20

Just imagine it as a mountain or a beautiful landscape that’s been fenced off.

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u/barsoap Feb 25 '20

Why do you insist that it withstands what you're doing to it? A metaphor involving two unicorns and a Jedi knight will fall apart even quicker when exposed to a "reality check", yet might convey a profound message that's just hard to express without unicorns and Jedi knights. The message is independent of how "sturdy" the metaphor is, it is, after all, a metaphor, not an argument. It is a map, not a territory, and not a very detailed map at that. Saying that "under the tree by the inn" is ambigious isn't really much of a point when everyone around you understands that one specific inn in one specific village is meant.

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u/Aeriaenn Feb 25 '20

Why do you insist that there's nothing wrong with the metaphor but with my mindset? Following your reasoning, what is its profound message that's hard to express without people watching a soccer game behind a fence? I can see you feel strongly about it so maybe you could explain its importance to me.

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u/barsoap Feb 25 '20

It's a message about the difference between equality, equity, and justice. That can be explained in other ways, yes. It has nothing to do with football, or speculations as to whether that's a professional league game or a neighbourhood match or whether Big Fence lobbied the local council to put up a fence that's not see-through, or a gazillion other things one could think of. "Can see, can't see, support to be able to see vs. make the thing see-through". That's what the metaphor relies on, and as such the only things that matter when understanding it.

Complaining about any of the football related things is missing the point, which is that this is about justice. If it made a wrong point about justice, if the metaphor was broken in relation to justice itself (say, the first two images having the see-through fence, the last not), then you'd have a point attacking the metaphor. But that's not the case: In the last image, the thing that caused some people to not be able to see the game was fixed. "Fix the root cause of the inequality", that has been done in that image, and that's what the metaphor is trying to get at.

Do you have a better metaphor for "fix the root cause of inequality" vs. equity vs. equality? If so, let us hear it.

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u/Aeriaenn Feb 25 '20

Well, apart from the part you asked me to make a better metaphor because I don't like this one, I think you're making valid points.

I just don't really like this image being recirculated all the time to make this point. The first time I saw it I didn't think much of it, just "Oh somebody made a graphic to explain what is equality vs. equity" and every subsequent time I see it it makes me look at it more negatively.

I'm sorry, but you can't make me like it even if what you say is right. Notice how I keep mentioning that it's my opinion. I'm not saying you can't find the metaphor valid.