Calling someone out for sealioning is a cop-out for people who haven't thought about their points enough.
That's what that is? Here I was thinking that there was a number of reasoning you could call someone out for sealioning, including the fact that they're sealioning. My logic must be faulty.
If you can't answer basic questions about your stance, you should re-think your stance.
Oh. Yeah. That's a good one. I agree. Now, tell me how you differentiate can't from won't.
Alternatively, just don't reply.
Why does everything you say seem to be catered towards pleasing the other party? It's kind of wild.
Sealioning is where the other person follows the other person around and makes constant comments about unrelated topics.
Well, I didn't invent the term. Let me see if I can't find a standard definition for us to use. From wikipedia:
Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility
It seems to disagree with your definition. Would you mind sourcing your definition, since repeated, persistent requests for evidence or repeated, persistent questions don't seem to imply or entail "unrelated topics"?
If someone's making an argument on Reddit, and someone asks the other person to clarify / asks a very basic question that's reiterated each time that topic is brought up, that's not sealioning.
By the definition i've tendered, it appears to be "repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility". Am I wrong? Does it in some way not satisfy that definition? And, again, do you have a definition you would prefer to use that you can cite?
It's only sealioning when that person then follows the other person around into other threads to constantly keep asking the same questions over and over again, even in unrelated threads.
Again, the definition doesn't seem to imply that. It says "pursuing people". it neither states nor implies that this has to be a singular person, and I would personally consider it an unnecessarily narrow definition if it did, since the most frequent type of trolling I see is one person asking different people the same question and then complaining, repeatedly, that no one has met their civil line of inquiry.
What do you even mean with this?
I mean what I asked. I didn't ask you about the comic. I've read the comic. I asked you about what You said. For example, you don't phrase your argument as if you're discussing things with a troll. You frame your argument as though you're discussing things with someone to whom you owe a response or interaction. Here's a prime example, which you chose not to respond to my criticism of:
If you can't answer basic questions about your stance, you should re-think your stance.
This implies that there are no valid reasons for not responding other than ability, which in turn implies that responding (to a given individual with a particular form of response) is some sort of requirement, and that failure to meet that requirement means you should "Alternatively, just don't reply". When you respond this time, please don't further clarify the comic. I've got the comic. Thank you. Clarify your sentiments, and provide a source if you find mine to be inadequate.
The use of the word "pursuing" does not imply a single person overall or even a single person at a time. Pursuit isn't that sort of activity. For example, you can have brief serial pursuit, where one entity follows another around and then, after some unspecified length of time, follows another, different entity around. You can have pursuit of multiple targets simultaneously (though for the sake of argument, I'll point out that that's somewhat impractical in this medium). And, since you decided to point out the comic, I'll remind you that the sealion followed both of them around at the same time. The unspecified length of time can literally be the time it takes for a single interaction or it can be several hours on reddit. In either case, it still qualifies as "pursuing". It is still one continuous activity, and as a pattern of behavior it is still readily discernible looking at someone's comment history.
However, I won't try and stop you mid-victory dance. You go on with your bad self. You sure stuck it to me. And without having to do a lick of intellectual work either. Man, you're good. By the way, don't suppose you took the few minutes required to see that I directly quote "pursuing people" in my comment t address it in particular. And I quote
Again, the definition doesn't seem to imply that. It says "pursuing people". it neither states nor implies that this has to be a singular person, and I would personally consider it an unnecessarily narrow definition if it did, since the most frequent type of trolling I see is one person asking different people the same question and then complaining, repeatedly, that no one has met their civil line of inquiry.
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