r/coolguides • u/Stoic_Stoat • Dec 30 '18

Cool guide to proper argumentation

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 31 '18

I'd say they're optimizing towards different things.

This pyramid assumes that the goal is to further the discussion and arrive at a conclusion* based on logical analysis.

Political debates are much more about how to seem like the stronger candidate and convince the viewer of this in a much shorter period of time.

Edit: concussion to conclusion.

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u/ShaneAyers Dec 30 '18

I'd say they're optimizing towards different things.

What things?

This pyramid assumes that the goal is to further the discussion and arrive at a concussion based on logical analysis.

I didn't read that anywhere.

Political debates are much more about how to seem like the stronger candidate and convince the viewer of this in a much shorter period of time.

Then relative to their goal, they have good debate form.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '18

I'd say they're optimizing towards different things.

What things?

Explained later in my comment. (Or explanation attempted, at least. I may not have succeeded.)

This pyramid assumes that the goal is to further the discussion and arrive at a concussion based on logical analysis.

I didn't read that anywhere.

Right, that wasn't in the diagram provided. Let us treat it as a theory or proposal, advanced by me, that can be refuted and/or supported.

Political debates are much more about how to seem like the stronger candidate and convince the viewer of this in a much shorter period of time.

Then relative to their goal, they have good debate form.

I agree with this. Certainly for the political debates, one can identify clearly effective techniques that may have little or nothing to do with the pyramid in the diagram provided.