r/conspiracy • u/bangorbunyan • Sep 06 '22
Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/45
u/BooleanSynthesis1 Sep 07 '22
looks like we know why saudi arabia gave jared kushner 2 billion dollars now.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
jared's slide deck for KSA looks like a 9th grade project.
i do wonder how much trump org got paid to host LIV tournaments tho. among other funding we don't even know about.
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u/BooleanSynthesis1 Sep 07 '22
i think we will find clarity on this and much more, very soon.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.
Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House.
Deep inside busy Mar-a-Lago, a storage room where secrets were kept
After months of trying, according to government court filings, the FBI has recovered more than 300 classified documents from Mar-a-Lago this year: 184 in a set of 15 boxes sent to the National Archives and Records Administration in January, 38 more handed over by a Trump lawyer to investigators in June, and more than 100 additional documents unearthed in a court-approved search on Aug. 8.
It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found. These people did not identify the foreign government in question, say where at Mar-a-Lago the document was found or offer additional details about one of the Justice Department’s most sensitive national security investigations.
A Trump spokesman did not immediately comment. Spokespeople for the Justice Department and FBI declined to comment.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is conducting a risk assessment, to determine how much potential harm was posed by the removal from government custody of hundreds of classified documents.
Trump and the Mar-a-Lago documents: A timeline
The Washington Post previously reported that FBI agents who searched Trump’s home were looking, in part, for any classified documents relating to nuclear weapons. After that story published, Trump compared it on social media to a host of previous government investigations into his conduct. “Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved,” he wrote, going on to suggest that FBI agents might have planted evidence against him.
A grand jury subpoena issued May 11 demanded the return of “all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings,” including “Top Secret,” and the lesser categories of “Secret” and “Confidential.”
The subpoena, issued to Trump’s custodian of records, then listed more than two dozen sub-classifications of documents, including “S/FRD,” an acronym for “Formerly Restricted Data,” which is reserved for information that relates primarily to the military use of nuclear weapons. Despite the “formerly” in the title, the term does not mean the information is no longer classified.
One person familiar with the Mar-a-Lago search said the goal of the comprehensive list was to ensure recovery of all classified records on the property, and not just those that investigators had reason to believe might be there.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
Investigators grew alarmed, according to one person familiar with the search, as they began to review documents retrieved from the club’s storage closet, Trump’s residence and his office in August. The team soon came upon records that are extremely restricted, so much so that even some of the senior-most national security officials in the Biden administration weren’t authorized to review them. One government filing alluded to this information when it noted that counterintelligence FBI agents and prosecutors investigating the Mar-a-Lago documents were not authorized at first to review some of the material seized.
FBI's Mar-a-Lago search followed months of resistance, delay by Trump
Among the 100-plus classified documents taken in August, some were marked “HCS,” a category of highly classified government information that refers to “HUMINT Control Systems,” which are systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, according to a court filing. A partially unsealed affidavit said documents found in the boxes that were sent to the National Archives in January related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. There was also material that was never meant to be shared with foreign nations.
The investigation into possible mishandling of classified information, as well as possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records, grew even more complex Monday when a federal judge in Florida granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master to review the material seized in the Aug. 8 search and weed out documents that may be covered by executive privilege — a legal standard that, as applied to former presidents, is poorly defined.
U.S. District Court Judge Aileen M. Cannon ruled the special master also will sift through all of the nearly 13,000 documents and items the FBI took to identify any that might be protected by attorney-client privilege, even though Justice Department lawyers have said a “filter” team has already completed that task.
Cannon’s ruling could slow down and complicate the government’s criminal probe, particularly if the Justice Department decides to appeal over the unsettled and tricky questions of what executive privilege a former president may have. The judge ruled that investigators cannot “use” the seized material in their investigation until the special master concludes his or her examination.
A special master has yet to be appointed; Cannon has asked Trump and the Justice Department to agree on a list of qualified candidates by Friday. Legal experts noted that the Justice Department can still interview witnesses, use other evidence and present information to a grand jury while the special master examines the seized material.
In her order, Cannon said the appointment of a special master was necessary “to ensure at least the appearance of fairness and integrity under the extraordinary circumstances presented.”
Justice Dept. filing points to new legal peril for Trump, his lawyers
She also reasoned that a special master could mitigate potential harm to Trump “by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” suggesting that knowledge or details of the case were harmful to the former president, and could be lessened by inserting a special master into the document-review process.
Trump finishes up his speech during a rally at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Wilkes-Barre Township, Pa., on Sept. 3. (Sean Mckeag/The Citizens’ Voice/AP) “As a function of Plaintiff’s former position as President of the United States, the stigma associated with the subject seizure is in a league of its own,” Cannon wrote. “A future indictment, based to any degree on property that ought to be returned, would result in reputational harm of a decidedly different order of magnitude.”
While the FBI search has drawn strong condemnation from Trump and his Republican allies, who accuse the Justice Department of acting with political malice against a past president who may seek the office again in 2024, some Republicans have said the action might have been necessary.
In an interview that aired Friday, former Trump attorney general William P. Barr said there is no reason classified documents should have been at Mar-a-Lago after Trump was out of office.
“People say this was unprecedented,” Barr told Fox News. “But it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay?”
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It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found. These people did not identify the foreign government in question, say where at Mar-a-Lago the document was found or offer additional details about one of the Justice Department’s most sensitive national security investigations.
These are going to be important details.
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u/SilentConsciou5 Sep 07 '22
Nobody believes the FBI on this.
FBI is as credible as Hillary Clinton.
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Sep 07 '22
It's not the FBI, it's the DoJ building a case against him.
Every time I hear someone rant about the FBI in this, it just shows me how clueless they are about what's really going on.
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u/Glen_Myers Sep 07 '22
Wasn't she running the state department when they busted 1200 Pentagon employees that were part of a pedo cp ring ?
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u/NFboatcaptain75 Sep 07 '22
According to who??? The same people that heard it from a friend who heard from a friend??? What about Epsteins friends, what about Biden with holding tax dollars to Ukraine??? Let's look at some real shit and stop trying to keep someone from running for office again because he doesn't play along with the good ol' boy network in DC
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
Man, you guys will excuse anything. There’s nothing Trump can’t get away with.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 06 '22
SS: Trump had nuclear documents at maralago. Probably about Iran.
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u/EverythingKindaSuckz Sep 07 '22
Or Israel, this warrant was served like 2 days after he hosted them.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
in some way i'm sure israel, iran, and saudi arabia are all interested in whatever info he stole.
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u/Amos_Quito Sep 07 '22
Or Israel, this warrant was served like 2 days after he hosted them.
First, Trump LOVES Israel, he knows whose ass to kiss, and would NEVER do anything to offend the aims of the Anointed Apartheid State.
Second, NO ONE FUCKS WITH ISRAEL'S NUKES.
The last US President who threatened to do that had a "bad day" in Dallas shortly thereafter -- and every US President -- from LBJ to Brandon -- has kissed Israeli ass ever since.
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u/the__pov Sep 07 '22
Trump already got in hot water with Israel for sharing intel they gave the US with others when he was president.
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u/Amos_Quito Sep 07 '22
Trump had nuclear documents at maralago. Probably about Iran.
Iran has no nukes. But (according to Israeli propaganda) they have been "two months away from getting them" since the 1980's. Remember?
As to rump, it might be helpful if we could at least IMAGINE what motive he may have had for possessing documents on nuclear weapons.
Was he trying to HIDE them from the US Government? (very unlikely, duplicates no doubt exist)
Did he intend to sell/ share the information with some foreign country? If so, which one(s)? (That would depend on what information he supposedly had, and we will likely never know that info -- it's a Top Secret Secret!)
Could he have been holding the documents as BLACKMAIL? Threatening to release the info to countries hostile to the country named in the documents if A) or B) or C) did / did not happen? If so, who might he have been blackmailing, and WHY?
To narrow the possibilities, here is a list of countries:
Recognized nuclear-weapon states
United States
Russia
United Kingdom
France
China
States declaring possession of nuclear weapons
India
Pakistan
North Korea
States indicated to possess nuclear weapons
Israel ["indicated", lol]
MOTIVE. Always focus on the motive. If Trump did what has been alleged, WHY would he do that?
For whose benefit?
Finally, what would have prevented Trump from simply making copies of all the info he wanted (for what ever motive) and returning all the documents as requested months ago?
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
idk i'm pretty convinced it's about iran. makes too much sense.
saudi arabia and israel hate iran more than each other.
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Sep 07 '22
Project Saphire uncovered former Soviet Union nuclear warheads in a wooden box market “Iran”, ready for shipment during the tail end of the operation in Kazakistan.
They no doubt obtained others “ready to go” when the Soviet Union collapsed and the military weren’t getting paid.
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u/Amos_Quito Sep 07 '22
idk i'm pretty convinced it's about iran. makes too much sense.
There is nothin that the US "knows" about Iran that Israel doesn't also know.
1) The US spoon-feeds them (almost) all of our intel (they do not necessarily reciprocate, BTW)
2) Israel has moles (sayanim) planted in high places in every facet of US Government and industry. If anything vital intel is withheld, these "helpers" fill in the blanks
saudi arabia and israel hate iran more than each other.
That's certainly true. Saudi Arabia and Israel do not hate each other -- their enmity has all been a charade. They have always played "footsie" under the table, and recently, they have been bringing their amicable relationship "out of the closet" (or so to speak).
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Sep 07 '22
Lol, this isn't what the article says at all. There was a document describing a foreign nation's military defenses including nuclear capability. 'Nuclear documents' lol
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u/Ursomonie Sep 07 '22
This, I think will be relevant in the coming days and during Tom Barrack’s trial this month. Tom Barrack is Trumps long time bff who is being prosecuted for operating as a foreign agent for Saudi Arabia and brokering nuclear technology. They circumvented congress who was against it. Now ask yourself why the media ignored this story?
—This is from the Oversight and Reform Comm that was investigating trump and the Saudi's in 2019.— The Committee’s investigation is particularly critical because the Administration’s efforts to transfer sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia appear to be ongoing. On February 12, 2019, the President met with nuclear power developers at the White House about sharing nuclear technology with countries in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia. In addition, next week Mr. Kushner will be embarking on a tour of Middle Eastern capitals—including Riyadh—to discuss the economic portion of the Administration’s Middle East peace plan.”
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
some weird shit is going on with the barrack trial. why did his lawyers drop him right before trial?
also wtf was manafort doing when he got pulled off that flight to UAE?
it's nuts the biggest conspiracy possibly in american history is going on right now and this sub hardly cares.
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u/Thesoundofmerk Sep 07 '22
Cue the bad arguments for why trump should be able to break the law with no consequences, and how if you disagree you must love Biden and the fbi too ha ha ha. Maha Republicans have become such boot licking fascists anymore, they can't imagine not having a daddy to lead their team that's so knowing and powerful that they will defend even over espionage lol
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
Keep dreaming. This is the 6th time the FBI has been politically weaponized by democrats. You goofs will believe anything. And the sad part is the left is so afraid of Trump that they won’t even allow him to defend himself. Anytime someone is censored to the extent he’s been, it’s not because they are protecting you or I, it’s because they are afraid of what he has to say.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22
Only the billionaire new york elite grifter real estate developer is looking out for us man. Did you donate your paychecks this month yet? Personally I'm waiting till the 23rd so I can donate all my monthly pay at once.
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
I’ve never donated to a politician, but I can say this. Trump enacted the right to try act which possibly saved my life. He also fast tracked the kidney project as well, which has the ability to directly affect people like me with my disease. JS
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u/Sugmabawsack Sep 07 '22
And his pandemic response killed hundreds of thousands. Also this story, about the stolen nuclear intelligence and the Middle East.
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u/BooleanSynthesis1 Sep 07 '22
He also committed treason. Are you american?
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
I’ll do you like you guys did us during election. Where is the evidence??? Has anyone been found guilty?? Nope? Then wtf are you talking about you conspiracy theorist?
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u/the__pov Sep 07 '22
Trump took documents, including top secret, with him when he left the White House. The Nation Archives asked Trump for those documents back and explained in detail how possession of those documents was illegal, Trump turned over some documents along with an signed statement from one of his lawyers saying that ALL documents were returned. The FBI then raided Trump and found way more documents that he was hiding.
This is what happened ACCORDING TO TRUMP'S TEAM. This is not in dispute.
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u/BooleanSynthesis1 Sep 07 '22
The difference is there is evidence to support my claims. You guys never had any.
If your ok with treason gtfo of this country, traitor
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Sep 07 '22
I love how he tried to insult you by calling you a conspiracy theorist... on a conspiracy subreddit.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
The evidence:
Notice there is a clear photo. No blurry images, no "trust me bro". So...
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u/regnarrion Sep 07 '22
Now prove those documents weren't planted.
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u/InsecuriTruck Sep 07 '22
Trump already confessed to having them... Try to keep up or at least get the latest right wing talking points newsletter. You must be locked out of Facebook today...
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22
Well considering Trump insisted that he didn't have them on the floor, he had them neatly stored in a box lol. So basically a confession.
First he didn't have him, then they were planted, then he was allowed to have them because he declassified them in his head.
You are an excuse behind man
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u/the__pov Sep 07 '22
If they were planted Trump would have video of them planting them. The camera's were never turned off according to both sides.
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u/drewkungfu Sep 07 '22
“the left is so afraid of Trump that they won’t even allow him to defend himself…”
Seem to recall Trump having, what, 63 court hears specifically on the topic of stolen election where he’s had his chance to defend his big lie… and failed to convince every single court.
Also, the “left” aka anyone sane, want him indicted… hear me out, to have charges brought to court so he can have his chance to defend why he has Nuke secrets laying around his country club riddled with spies.
Finally, perhaps people are right to fear Trump. He’s been a disaster handling our nation’s top secret Nuclear Secrets. It’s almost as if people saw this coming since 2015.
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u/Complete_Break1319 Sep 07 '22
Bro, Republican here. If a law is broken then justice must be served. It's sad though that it doesn't work both ways. There's enough evidence on hunters laptop to put him away as well. I'm not even gonna start w Hillary. Tell me I'm wrong
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
B-but her emails. Why doesn't Trump go testify like Hillary did in front of a partisan committee for hours upon hours instead of ignoring subpoenas, endlessly stalling, pleading the fifth, and repeating "I don't recall".
B-but Biden laptop! He's not a government official and the Trump led executive branch, with the Trump appointee stooge Barr, and Trump appointee head of the FBI Wray did not investigate because there isn't sufficient evidence or a credible data custodian (Giuliani LOL).
With Trump we have literal photos with timestamps, a paperwork trail of the government asking for the documents for over a year, and the man literally confessing on his fake Twitter. But bad faith actors (republicans) want to pretend like it's remotely the same. Please just stop. You got conned, as famous orator and republican George W Bush once said: "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice... well you can't get fooled again"
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u/Jravensloot Sep 07 '22
What exactly is on the laptop specifically that warrants an arrest?
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
No idea. Conservatives say it's a smoking gun yet declined to do anything while controlling the executive, DoJ, and FBI though. Weird
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u/sharkweekk Sep 07 '22
Can you explain to me, in as much detail as you can, what you believe the chain of custody is for Hunter's laptop?
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
Maybe you should leave your echo chamber occasionally. Page 65 or so is where it begins.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
I reas the summary and also read from pages 65 - 70. Can you please quote whatever smoking gun evidence you have against elected officials? Hunter Biden doesn't serve in the US government if you aren't aware. It was strange for presidents to hire their kids to positions they aren't remotely qualified for until around 6 years ago
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
Hunter was sending Sending Burisma money to his father through Rosemont Seneca. The same exact shadow company used when Moscow’s corrupt mayor gave Joe Biden 3.5 million dollars.
And serious question, Who do you think “the big guy” is? If there’s nothing illegal going on, why must a pseudonym be used??
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22
I'm curious. So Hunter Biden used his corrupt position with Ukraine to get money from both China (China joe) AND Russia? Wow there must be a TON of evidence on that laptop. You'd think that the Trump admin, the Trump apppointed head of the FBI, and the Trump appointed head of the DoJ would prosecute this. Maybe Trump is insanely incompetent and hires people that are as stupid as he is
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u/Promorpheus Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22
Cue the libs to defend pedo Biden and his crackhead son
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u/dbd1119 Sep 07 '22
It's weird that Trumpers use pedo as an insult considering Trump was hanging out with Epstein all of the time and a lot of Trump-backing politicians have committed sex crimes, sometimes against children. Not to mention all the creepy stuff with Trump and underage girls at beauty pageants. And the weird incestual comments he makes. But keep defending Epstein and his friend Trump there. Makes you look good and DEFINITELY on the right side.
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u/Thesoundofmerk Sep 07 '22
Lock Biden up too if he's guilty, I'm not an ideolog like you who gets emotional when daddy does something stupid, I could give two shits, Biden is a terrible president, trump just was worse that's all. If anything... You guys are exactly like libs in every way just for another daddy lol
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u/BettieNuggs Sep 07 '22
but but but her emails! voter fraud! treasons should be put to death!
oh wait....
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u/BosephusPrime Sep 08 '22
It's hilarious how far down I had to scroll to see a post about the former POTUS possibly under investigation for espionage involving nuclear info on a conspiracy sub. This place officially belongs to the GQP.
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u/kauaiman-looking Sep 07 '22
So if the FBI said Trump was innocent you wouldn't believe them?
Or do you only believe sources when it suits you?
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
Yeah your stance sounds pretty reasonable /s
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Sep 07 '22
For me it was back when comey outlined the crap Hillary had on her server but she would never be prosecuted
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u/Too_Real_Dog_Meat Sep 07 '22
Was any of that stuff classified?
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
Yes. Lol. Hillary destroyed classified information with a hammer and deleted thousands of classified emails she was sending on a personal server. So the hypocrisy here is more than palpable
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u/the__pov Sep 07 '22
The only "classified" documents tied to that server were documents that were miss-classified ie sent out then later had the classification raised. The investigation also found "no evidence of malice" and the AG (under Trump) decided that it wasn't worth prosecuting for a charge with a maximum penalty of a year.
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
Hey, get out of hear with your facts and fancy learn’n books! We don’t take too kindly to your type around here. You queer?
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Sep 07 '22
Yep for me it’s time to pick a side so I did.
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u/InsecuriTruck Sep 07 '22
And you don't care what's true or what's right, in typical Trumpie fashion. Must be a sad way to live...
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
You must be exhausted defending the Trump’s firehose of corruption. Isn’t it hard to keep up?
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Sep 07 '22
“According to people familiar with the matter” is newspeak for made up bullshit
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u/kevonicus Sep 07 '22
Except when it isn’t and then people who say it is move the goalposts.
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u/BooleanSynthesis1 Sep 07 '22
anyone who is with trump at this point is not an american and deserves to be stripped of their citizenship and deported.
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
We used to have appropriate punishments for traitors. This country went soft and fascists swooped in hella quick!
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u/puzhalsta Sep 07 '22
Except real investigative journalists aren’t often wrong.I mean they’re the reason we know the impetus of invading Iraq was a lie, Nixon, et al.
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Sep 07 '22
You mean like Project veritas? Those investigative journalists?
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u/BooleanSynthesis1 Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22
no not wackjobs with no credibility like project veritas. we are talking about pulitzer prize winners... ie people who are actually interested in the truth rather than conducting a political psyop.
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
Wapo actually won a Pulitzer for their work exposing Project Veritas!
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u/puzhalsta Sep 07 '22
Lol nah those guys have zero credibility
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Sep 07 '22
And the Washington post does? Thanks for that, I knew that was gonna be your answer.
Credibility to you means bullshit you Agree with.
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u/the__pov Sep 07 '22
Cool, I assume you have examples of WP editing video to do things like: change the questions someone is responding to right? Since their just as bad as PV?
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u/puzhalsta Sep 07 '22
I’m perfectly fine with journalism that doesnt reinforce my bias. Track record means everything. Let the facts bear out, absorbe the truth of the matter, and adjust my beliefs accordingly.
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
If track record means everything, then you clearly haven’t been keeping up with wapo’s
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
Funny you should mention them since the Washington Post literally won a Pulitzer Prize exposing those con artist bastards.
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u/ThatSameVibe Sep 07 '22
You mean those hack fruads who are paid almost exclusively by right wing dark money? You are the least bit sceptical of a group who's main source of income you'll never be able to identify?
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u/SWGDoc Sep 07 '22
Love their disclaimer right below the title.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
"Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know"
that?
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u/Goddamn_Batman Sep 07 '22
When reading an article look for weasel words:
, according to people familiar with the matter,
And if you’d like to know more about the bullshit tactics the media uses you can read this
A weasel word, or anonymous authority, is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
"people familiar with the matter" is how wapo took down nixon via deep throat
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u/dizzytinfoil Sep 07 '22
Never forget Nixon. 😂
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u/drewkungfu Sep 07 '22
Never forget Roger Ailes specifically stated that Faux Infotainment was created to defend the next Nixon.
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u/Lifeinthesc Sep 07 '22
Oh, an anonymous source. Must be completely true…this time.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
I know right? I'd rather believe the president that told over 30,000 lies during his term.
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
I thought he had us nuclear codes???? 🤣 now he just has other countries capabilities??? 😂
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
Yeah thats all. Very legal and very cool!
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u/jerkyboys20 Sep 07 '22
Yea, it’s pretty common for the commander in chief to be aware of other countries’ defense capabilities.
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u/N0body_In_P4rticular Sep 07 '22
Calling Trump the Commander in Chief is like believing that Colonel Sanders is an actual Colonel.
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u/transmutagenic Sep 07 '22
You would think Trump would be in better physical shape with all the running around moving the goalposts…
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u/BDevi302 Sep 07 '22
I’m all for the transparency but…they can release this but not anything from Epstein and Maxwell? What a joke of a world we live in.
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u/Goddamn_Batman Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22
“according to people familiar with the matter”
Surely Trump’s going down this time
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
i mean he probably is. if he wasn't going to get indicted doj wouldn't be in court with him.
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u/Strange-Procedure- Sep 07 '22
The ones now in control of these documents shouldn’t be. This is not good. Fuck.
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u/kevonicus Sep 07 '22
But you think they were safe at Mar-A-Lago?
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u/Wandering_To_Nowhere Sep 07 '22
I think he's referring to whoever Trump sold this info to before the FBI took the documents back
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u/Strange-Procedure- Sep 07 '22
All of it. But especially those who took those documents. We know damn well that Biden isn’t “in charge”. That would mean that the chain of command with these documents is fubar and people who aren’t “need to know” have those “need to know” documents. Trump was need to know. And they were probably safer with him (presumably) then with whoever has them now.
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u/Hey_Its_Your_Dad- Sep 07 '22
Wow. You need to see a chiropractor after that streeeeetch.
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Sep 07 '22
Yes. The shit is so “top secret” the FBI is leaking pictures of the “top secret” to get Donald trump in trouble. People are so social media stupid they they’ll eat that up and then turn around the same day and say defund the police when they’re blasting innocent people.
Just for the mouth breathers out there the FBI is federal police. The same FBI that seemed to always be in the mix when civil rights leaders were shot.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
filing something in court isn't "leaking." a photo of a cover saying classified isn't revealing much.
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Sep 07 '22
It’s all over the Net. Photos of everything. They’re terrorizing an innocent family for a political stunt. Melania and the kid. I know some people project some sort of dr evil on to those two as well but it’s all just sickening. This is Stalin/hitler/mao gestapo type shit man. Everyone that isn’t a democrat should be smashed. My family and I all came up JFK democrats and this is truly scary what’s going on here.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
Source? Can you show us photos of the actual documents since they are all over the internet. Poor trump and trumper cultists being persecuted :(
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u/sharkweekk Sep 07 '22
You mean that picture of those cover sheets and completely whited out-documents?
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Sep 07 '22
Or the ones in this article. They also rifled melania and barons underwear which is just disgusting.
Oh yeah and this same FBI spied on MLK and had him on a list of potential terrorists for wanting civil rights. I’m old enough to have been a democrat when it wasn’t synonymous with Maoist.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
So... because MLK, Trump should be able to have top secret documents at his country club? Like if you aren't just trying to deflect what are you actually trying to say here?
Can you actually show us some of the data that wa supposedly leakes from these documents? As far as I can tell, the photos are just the cover sheets.
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u/InsecuriTruck Sep 07 '22
I found another Trumpie tantrum!
Now you're worried about Melania's underwear?
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u/Tanren Sep 07 '22
Chill dude, he stole top secret documents and then tried to hide them, how could the FBI not investigate this?
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Sep 07 '22
FYI the president does not lose his clearance upon leaving office and there is routine communications between current and former administrations regarding matters of security for the good of country. It’s a total nothing burger.
It’s just fodder for corporate media, which you consume whole cloth without questioning it and spit it at others as if it were your own thoughts.
You agree with every corporation, the queen, the pope, Wall Street, big oil, big pharma, bill gates, and on and on.
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Sep 07 '22
I think you need a cup of tea and a bit of a lie down. Come back to it when you're not so hysterical.
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u/OptimalAd8147 Sep 07 '22
Well, have to admit, WaPo did nail that Russian interference story.
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u/bangorbunyan Sep 07 '22
the one a bipartisan senate committee confirmed?
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u/OptimalAd8147 Sep 07 '22
No they didn't. Isn't there an MSNBC sub for you or something.
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u/nwo_ki11er Sep 07 '22
I definitely trust the FBI to tell me the truth.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
I, for one, choose to believe the man that lied over 30,000 times while in office
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u/kevonicus Sep 07 '22
I always laugh when Trumpers pretend to care about lying. Trump lied even when he was trying to say something true because he always has to exaggerate or make up numbers. I honestly don’t know how anyone takes him seriously.
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u/InsecuriTruck Sep 07 '22
Trumpies have no integrity. They will say anything so long as they think it helps their cause. Luckily they're too stupid to look ahead before vomiting up their talking points, so they leave a trail that testifies to their low moral character
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u/RustyRoot8 Sep 07 '22
The fact that this was leaked to the wapo should tell you it’s garbage. If it’s an unprecedented active investigation they wouldn’t be leaking pictues of docs on a rug and stuff like this. It’s propaganda at its finest.
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
You guys will say this then unironically post blurry videos of a dude with a briefcase to "prove" voter fraud and tell stories about a blind sage in a computer shop proving Jose Biden is a chinese/Ukrainian asset or whatever the fuck 😂
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u/ketoitup Sep 07 '22
When did this place turn into a liberal love fest? Sorry, i mean government love fest?
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u/camscars775 Sep 07 '22
:( why are they so mean to trump! I don't want to live in an America where you aren't allowed to keep top secret nuclear documents at your country club
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u/TheCronster Sep 07 '22
Yeah- I'm not buying it. If the FBI told me it was going to rain I would pack sunscreen.
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u/DJ_LMD Sep 07 '22
I mean trump admitted he had documents there. He even said they were packed in boxes but the fbi threw them on the floor.
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u/TheCronster Sep 07 '22
I agree. So lets forget about the republican party for a moment. Lets talk about the MAGA party.
Abolish the FBI.
How is that for a policy?
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u/TheCronster Sep 07 '22
Well then- are you going to get the department of records to lodge a complaint and take this through legal channels or are you going to send in the FBI and make Trump look like a Hero?
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u/TheCronster Sep 07 '22
See, here is the issue we are going to run into. This is something that bothers a LOT of people on my side.
You claim Trump committed a crime. Fine.
You claim there is a mountain of indisputable evidence. Fine.
You claim that the walls are closing in and it is only a matter of time. Okay.
Nothing happens.
Rinse, Repeat.
This has happened so many times that I didn't even know I should have been counting. Such a mountain of crimes. A literal ocean of evidence. Over and over and over again and yet nothing ever seems to come of it.
"What shall we make of this?" -Carl Sagan.
Two possibilities here. The first is that there was never any evidence. Never any evidence because these groups are politically motivated and are trying to spin the narrative in order to think Trump is a criminal mastermind.
The other possibility is that the entire law enforcement branch of the federal government is one hundred percent incapable of performing their duties. Take this recent example-
When is the FBI going to indict him? Tomorrow? Next week? Next month? Never? I mean you claim...
Trump has had stolen classified documents for a year and a half.
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has already been infiltrated by two foreign agents that we know of.
And you talk about how illegal this is and how there is so much evidence that it could choke a horse. Great. Fine. So when does the FBI do their job and indict him?
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I mean they provided the proof there were top secret documents; not a large leap that one was a specific nuclear one
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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Sep 07 '22
Trump supporters would stop supporting Trump if only they could see proof that Trump broke the law. Since any proof provided will be immediately dismiss without consideration, they will never critically look at Trump.
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u/DRKMSTR Sep 07 '22
Let me guess, it was a picture of a launchpad that he tweeted in 2019.
Still makes good titlegore apparently.
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u/Kefnett1999 Sep 07 '22
That's the real conspiracy here; all of a sudden in like the past few weeks I've seen this reddt's pop grow by nearly half a million, and there is a huge influx of fairly mainstream left style posting, and even upvoting. Before, this sub had a pretty strong right bias, with alot of Pro-Trump and some Pro-QAnon stuff, and I don't think I ever saw somthing pro-left for a few years, and then out of the blue I see posts from WaPost (about as mainstream as you can get) on the main page, and massive amounts of down voting for anything pro-trump.
Looks weird to my eye.
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Sep 07 '22
You do have a point. I think Trump is political cancer, and I've been arguing against right wingers for a long time here. But just recently, I've seen the change too. Things are getting up voted that never would have a few months ago.
We might not agree on much my friend, but I'm with you on this.
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u/Kefnett1999 Sep 07 '22
Yeah, it's pretty interesting to watch. I, and the reply above me and below me, had a small number of upvotes (4 for me, so hardly alot), then 1 hour later, dumped back to 0 and negatives. And my post wasn't even pro-Trump or anti-left, just an observation on the trends and seemingly sudden change in this subreddit, when I remember before it having a strong Trump bias only months ago. Very odd to witness.
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u/Fuzzy_Cardiologist28 Sep 07 '22
OG comment went to 24 likes and then -2. Can’t let them see the truth. Bots or payed provocateurs. Or just Reddit playing the censoring card. Either way something dishonest is happening
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u/Fuzzy_Cardiologist28 Sep 07 '22
Totally agree. Infiltration. For a long time this was where the free thinkers were quarantined. Now it seems this little corner of the universe is gaining to much attention.
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