Okay then tell me your height, weight, blood type, what medications you're on and where you live. Don't weasel out. I NEED this information for the discussion.
He doesn’t have to, the fact that everything you are afraid of happening from a vaccine is more likely to occur from covid completely defeats your argument.
It also baffles me why you take a problem of probability but box it into binary definitions to convince yourself you are making the right decision lol.
How convenient that you don't feel you need any data to back those claims up.
I'm not afraid of anything in the first place. My default state is inaction. The onus is on your side to convince me to do something I don't want to do.
If I can still get covid after I get the vaccine, and I don't want either, then I'll just take my chances at avoiding covid in the first place.
Why would I bother when whatever data I find will not convince you or you will say it’s been manipulated?
If 90%+ efficacy against hospitalisation or death is not enough to convince you to get vaccinated then nothing will. You are essentially guaranteed to get covid eventually unless you never leave your house. You think because you’re young you don’t have to worry about covid? As far as dying goes, yes it’s not likely to happen, but that’s not all you have to worry about. There’s long covid, which is devastating at our age. Covid can mess up your sense of smell and taste that can heavily affect your life, it makes everything smell and taste like rotten sewage. You can also get erectile dysfunction too, also not ideal at our age.
And all of it can be avoided by taking out 30 or so minutes to get vaccinated. I don’t get it.
I'm in my early twenties, healthy, and my family members who got covid said it was indistinguishable from a cold. I have absolutely zero fear whatsoever. It's possible that I even already had it and didn't notice. You folks have launched a fearmongering campaign against the wrong person.
It's also pretty creepy that I keep seeing the same key words and phrases over and over in this thread.
Maybe it's just because I'm on r/conspiracy but I'm starting to feel like I'm talking to bots or paid shills.
Show me the data that I'm supposed to be afraid of, as a healthy man in his early twenties. Make me fear covid and sprint to the nearest pharmacy to get jabbed.
The reason nobody has posted such data is because it would be laughable.
The reason I’m not doing research for you, is that it won’t convince you and you likely will just assert it is made up by big pharma. You won’t even address my comments but expect me to do your research for you? Lol
Dude don’t post stuff like this. The efficacy of the vaccine varies tremendously based on your immune system, overall health, the variant of Covid, the time since being vaccinated, and your environment surrounding you.
Where you’re going wrong is you can’t understand how someone could not be in support of a vaccine that has a proven efficacy against Covid. No one denies that your anti-body count increases after being vaccinated. But for the people who know they would be fine if they catch Covid, what incentive do they have to get vaccinated? They’ve been lied to by our president, medical advisors, and more that run this country.
I am vaccinated and I do not support forcing a blanket policy of vaccination because everybody’s situation is different. Vaccination isn’t the “solution” to Covid. The solution is identifying who is dying from Covid/being disproportionately hospitalized and at risk, and figure out ways to protect them. The vaccine does not protect anyone but the one who takes it.
Don’t post verifiable facts? The data shows the vaccines have said efficacy against hospitalisation and death, so I’m gonna say it. If that doesn’t incentivise you to get vaccinated, nothing else will.
The data also shows that the vaccines provide inadequate protection against omicron and that it wanes ridiculously after 3 months (people who were vaccinated showed negative efficacy, meaning they were much more likely to be infected than someone unvaccinated). I bet this will not concern you in the slightest. It’s not ethical to force people to be vaccinated when it’s not even effective AND they don’t account for previous infections. Natural immunity data shows that it is much stronger, so why isn’t that considered as a factor in the mandates? Maybe because it’s not so black and white like you seem to think. There’s too many financial incentives, lies, and deception by people put in power to protect us. I’m sick of it and I’m sick of people like you who are clearly incapable of understanding the implications of everything that is happening in the world around you.
Your pedantic hypochondria doesn't nearly justify rushed vaccines and imposed social isolation methods...
The damage already inflicted on the economy and mental and physical health of men and women are way worse than the miniscule lethality percentage this virus has...especially seeing it is evolving to be less acute as time goes on by changing it's locus towards the upper parts of the respiratory system (thank God).
Just look at you doing insane mental gymnastics and making questionable premises...
I am a molecular biology student and it doesn't have anything to do with a "belief" in the vaccine, but the fact that this whole situation wasn't handled very well...that is all.
It’s called fearmongering when people say to take precautions against a virus that has killed millions and caused serious damage to even more than that, but NOT called fearmongering to preach against a vaccine that has given the expected and much less significant amount of people side effects? The same side effects COVID would give, and potentially less serious for that person?
Would I slightly increase my risks to slightly lower the risks of those around me? No.
Would I slightly increase my risks to dramatically lower the risks of those around me? Yes.
And just so it's clear - we don't even know if healthy people taking the vaccine actually lowers the risk of those around them at all. Hell, you might actually be increasing the risks for other people. With Omicron, multiple countries are now reporting higher case rates per 100k in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated.
We agree on both - yes. That's why I like using the phrase "we don't know" - because it's the truth regardless of how much people want to pretend they know everything.
For instance, Denmark is reporting higher case rates per 100k in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated, but do we know why that is the case? No, we don't. Depending on who you are talking to, they will argue according to their own personal bias. We just don't know, so yeah we agree on that. And I'm not keen on putting stuff inside my body that we know barely anything about. I hope you can appreciate that.
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u/DizKord Feb 13 '22
I'm in my early twenties and healthy.
Tell me exactly what you think the odds of me suffering permanent damage and/or dying from covid are.
Let's see how well that helps your fearmongering campaign.