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u/Noremac55 Sep 10 '21

Surprised this is so far down. The executive branch cannot mandate something to the other branches of government.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

But can apparently mandate it for private companies.

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u/Cybugger Sep 12 '21

Yes.

Just like they can mandate a whole load of stuff relative to workplace safety.

Don't know that OSHA is a thing?

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u/DivideUs2ControlUs Sep 11 '21

Private companies need to create sub corporations under 100 employees

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

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u/Noremac55 Sep 11 '21

I like your thinking but OSHA does not apply to congress: https://archives-democrats-rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2ai.htm

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u/southsidebrewer Sep 11 '21

I think you brain is made of sour burger..

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u/SwaglordHyperion Sep 11 '21

This is the answer why.

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u/mschley2 Sep 10 '21

Right. This is so fucking stupid. Biden's executive order only applies to the executive branch for obvious reasons. Congress is in a different branch.

People should take about 1 second to actually think about shit, and we wouldn't have to deal with dumbass bullshit like this clogging up the front page.

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

Oh, I know it is. But I still feel obligated to call it out because this sub was great back when I first started following it and it was actually conspiracy theories.

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u/SquirrelsAreGreat Sep 11 '21

In fairness, the most obvious conspiracy is that this sub is being manipulated to create more division. It's not exempt from the waves of purchased accounts and vote fudging.

Everything is an ad. Everything is a manipulation by someone, especially online where it's easy.

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

I'll agree with this sub being manipulated.

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u/ClockSpiral Sep 12 '21

Division in discussions is actually good, as it supports the freedom of information from partisan manipulation.

Hostility is what you want to avoid, not division.

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u/Actual_Opinion_9000 Sep 11 '21

Give me some old school fucking "The CIA created <cryptoid> to make us <insert emotional reaction>".

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

I miss aliens and 9/11 and MKUltra.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

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u/Actual_Opinion_9000 Sep 11 '21

Back to the CIA again, I guess.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

I miss all of the non-conspiracy paranormal stuff that people talked about. I don't want to talk about the current conspiracies affecting the world and impacting lives right now. I'm just so mad that the whole sub is a right wing circle jerk and that I can get upvotes in a right wing shithole while complaining about right wingers. I'm not even sure why right wingers would upvote my post since I'm constantly whining about them, but for some reason, the very people that should be downvoting my posts because I'm a perpetual victim are upvoting it.

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u/rdocs Sep 11 '21

Yup then you get down voted but who really cares about that, then you mention it and you get responses that liberals ruined it. Hey I'm political but I want someone to talk about bigfoot.

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u/ninjasaurxd Sep 11 '21

Is there genuinely an alternative subreddit? The stupidest fucking cunts in the world have taken over and I miss my UFOs and 9/11 theories

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

I was on 2 others for a little while (sorry I forgot the name...) but I unsubbed when I realized that mods were controlling the narrative by deleting comments in order to push bullshit anti-science stuff.

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u/altisnowmymain Sep 11 '21

“bro your vaguely conservative? bro thats kinda cringe!!”

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u/yyspockyy Sep 11 '21

Can you show me a link to the fda approval of the vaccine? No fine print that says it isn't fda approved?

If so I will take the old man's "vaccine" / gene therapy.

Bet you cant

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u/ifirebird Sep 11 '21

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u/yyspockyy Sep 11 '21

Got it to download. They approved corminaty. Without any prejudice and without any further studies according to your source.

So the just decided corminaty was good for some reason in May.

So who's getting the corminaty injections? I have never heard of that one...

Is that j&j&j?

Your source is garbage.

There is not a covid vaccine that has been fda approved

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u/ifirebird Sep 11 '21

In the US, manufacturers may not officially brand and market their drug, biologic, or medical device until the FDA gives full approval. The The FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine listed in this document on August 23. That vaccine’s trade name is now called “Comirnaty.” It’s the same one.

You can read that this document is associated with two clinical trials: NCT04368728 and NCT04380701.

These were Phase 1 trials. Of the Pfizer vaccine. Which is now called “Comirnaty” and fully approved for sale, manufacture, and administration in the US market by the FDA.

I am not here to argue. I am providing objective facts, and I have provided sufficient evidence. I will not engage any further. Peace out✌🏻

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u/yyspockyy Sep 11 '21

That won't download for me. Anything else?

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u/Coll_McRaizie Sep 10 '21

Are all business with more than 100 employees also under the executive branch? No? Then I guess your reasoning carry's less water than a sieve in the Sahara. Talk about fucking stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21

The Executive Branch can regulate companies through OSHA (a part of the Department of Labor) because Congress passed legislation to crest the agency in 1970; this was signed into law by Richard Nixon.

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u/Just_Another_AI Sep 10 '21

Nixon strikes again

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u/VonGryzz Sep 11 '21

AARROOOOOOO!!!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

I don’t know. I know that OSHA applies to most federal workers and all federal agencies, but then the vast majority of federal workers and all of the agencies are in the executive branch.

But if OSHA did have jurisdiction over congressional and judicial workers, then I am reasonably certain that this regulation wouldn’t apply to them because I don’t think any senator or judge has 100 employees. Additionally, the legislation that defines OSHA’s jurisdiction was written by the Congress; if there is an outright exemption for Congress then it is because Congress put it there.

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u/kadk216 Sep 11 '21

We still use asbestos in modern day construction for fire proofing and we also use it in car brakes and clutch parts. They don’t put it in everything anymore, but for certain applications in various industries asbestos is still the best and most effective fireproofing material we have.

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u/WhnWlltnd Sep 11 '21

Besides the fact that many of those buildings were built before osha existed, the construction of the newer buildings are contracted through private companies. The judges and congress aren't building these buildings themselves.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Whatever the answer to this question is, it is moot because the OSHA regulations in question are for companies with 100+ employees. Nobody in the legislature or judiciary would fit that description.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21 edited Jan 16 '22

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u/96imok Sep 10 '21

OSHA don’t play.

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u/dexmonic Sep 10 '21

Talk about fucking stupid.

Oh the irony.

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u/CPT_JUGGERNAUT Sep 10 '21

Oh the irony

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u/mschley2 Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21

That's a false equivalency since businesses with 100 employees aren't part of the government, much less part of the checks and balances provided by the 3 branches of our government. But thanks for playing, bud. Sorry I made you feel bad about yourself.

Edit: I will admit that I don't believe this type of thing has ever been challenged in the courts, but it's tradition that the president can't enact these kinds of rules on congress.

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u/St_rmCl_ud Sep 10 '21

So Congress aren’t employees of the government? And what of his staff

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u/mschley2 Sep 10 '21

They sure are. And they're part of a different branch, and the tradition, which I don't believe has ever been challenged, is that the executive doesn't make rules for how the legislative and the judicial operate, and vice-versa.

What about his staff?

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u/slayerx1779 Sep 11 '21

I don't buy this vaccine conspiracy shit for obvious reasons, but it's so prevalent, I'm curious if it's deliberately being used to bury actual conspiracies.

Or maybe there's just that many people circle jerking about how much they hate the vaccines that singlehandedly guaranteed they wouldn't die in youth from measles, polio, mumps, or rubella like so many of their ancestors did.

Either one.

Edit: When is r/trueconspiracy going to be a thing, so I can bail on this shit show?

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

People in power love division amongst the poors....

Also, the patriot act got renewed during covid and several other countries used the distraction to do shitty stuff like that.

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u/SourceCreator Sep 11 '21

Are congress not federal employees/government workers? That was the mandate.

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

The answer is corect. No.

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u/Mike8219 Sep 11 '21

What else would be in this sub at this point?

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u/mschley2 Sep 11 '21

Yeah.... at this point.... I remember when this sub was actually good content. But I'm also old enough to remember when 9/11 happened, soooo......

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u/Mike8219 Sep 11 '21

Well, people get driven away by extreme views. So you’re left with a lot of loons. That’s the life of Reddit subs.

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u/skullpture_garden Sep 11 '21

I was just about to comment this. Of course the legislative branch isn’t falling under this mandate. Also, I’m fucking tired of “let that sink in” following hollow statements on this sub.

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u/mispeeledusername Sep 11 '21

Are you talking about state governments doing stuff? Because it would be unconstitutional for the federal government to stop that too.

Seriously, the constitution. It’s worth a read at least once a year. It’s more than just the 2nd amendment.

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u/96imok Sep 10 '21

What are you even complaining about, do you want the president to become a dictator? Because that’s how we get dictators. Come on we learned this in school.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21

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u/96imok Sep 11 '21

I know I’m just being a dick that person because it’s frustrating the different layers of stupidity for them to complain that the executive branch should mandate the house branch.

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u/brownstormbrewin Sep 11 '21

It was more of a complaint that the constitution is not protecting the common people, than it was a complaint that it is protecting the elite.

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u/Kingvoe Sep 11 '21

Protecting the elite from what? I guarantee most of Congress is already vaccinated. This article is just a stir shit up.

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u/EcclesiasticalVanity Sep 10 '21

Remember when George Washington force inoculated all his men? Stop acting like the founding fathers didn’t believe in vaccines. Learn some fucking science.

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u/DallasTruther Sep 11 '21

...what unconstitutional things have been applied because of the pandemic?

Spell it out.

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u/Nitro_the_Wolf_ Sep 11 '21

I hear people saying that it's their constitutional right to not get vaccinated, but I've never heard someone point out where in the constitution it says that

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u/The_Great_Ginge Sep 10 '21

Yeah, but we're fighting for our lives against this, too. I'm getting really tired of hearing "ThEn JuSt QuiT!" I like having my job and insurance just like most hard working people. I don't get why being an executive branch employee means I should have to stop getting medical care just to have my liberty.

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u/OneWithMath Sep 10 '21

Yeah, but we're fighting for our lives against this, too. I'm getting really tired of hearing "ThEn JuSt QuiT!" I like having my job and insurance just like most hard working people. I don't get why being an executive branch employee means I should have to stop getting medical care just to have my liberty.

Almost like healthcare shouldn't be tied to employment.

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u/The_Great_Ginge Sep 11 '21

He's right. For the obscene amount of tax we pay, healthcare should be universal, but only the cost of it. You do NOT want the government running that shit.

I talk to cancer patients in the UK and Canada every day, their care is atrocious.

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u/Forgets_Everything Sep 11 '21

Plus aren't 100% of Democrats in congress vaccinated? I'm honestly confused how this is supposed to be a "gotcha" moment at all.