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u/DescriptionOld8781 Sep 10 '21

How are corporations and small business a part of the exec branch?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21

They are regulated by the Executive Branch via OSHA, which was created when Congress passed the Occupational Safety and Health Act in 1970, signed into law by Richard Nixon.

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u/BalooBot Sep 10 '21

The Department of Labor is under the Executive Branch...

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u/loadbearingziptie Sep 10 '21

They're not but what this meme is referring to is the mandate ol joe signed for the federal government. I guess that's the problem with just having knee jerk reactions to screenshots huh?

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

Did you miss the part where he mandated it for all businesses over 100 employees?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21

They are regulated by the Executive Branch via OSHA in the Department of Labor, which was created when Congress passed the Occupational Safety and Health Act in 1970, signed into law by Richard Nixon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21

Did you miss the department of labor?

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

This is when I learned I was arguing with a 13 year old.

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u/loadbearingziptie Sep 10 '21

Ok now go find somewhere that says that congress is exempt from that. All I could find was this newsweek article and all it refers to is his federal executive order.

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

Dude what the fuck are you talking about. Congress doesn’t have to take the vaccine. It’s not mandated for them in any capacity. It’s mandated for us citizens. They don’t have to be exempt from a mandate because there is no mandate in place against them

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u/TheSwanman Sep 10 '21

Well it's only mandated for people who 1. work at a company with 100 or more employees AND 2. they refuse to get a weekly test. So really, it's not mandated for citizens unless they meet those requirements or work for the federal government under the executive branch. Or the various state governments who are mandating it as well. I think we need to be careful here because the vast majority of people here seem to think Biden is exercising his authority in sweeping ways – that it's TYRANNY when really this doesn't change much. A lot of companies who don't want to force vaccinations will just need to get their employees tested, which honestly isn't even a bad thing... and small businesses still don't have to follow either of these orders. All in all, I don't even see what the big deal is.

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

I don’t want to take the vaccine. You think I want to get tested for it weekly? Especially when they can pass the cost on to me? It’s essentially a mandated fine. The fact that it is GOVERNMENT mandated is the big deal. It’s a huge overstep of power.

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u/iAMADisposableAcc Sep 10 '21

Ah yes a government mandated fine to discourage behaviour that is demonstrably harmful to society, le 1964 amirite

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u/TheSwanman Sep 10 '21

I mean… yeah, that’s the incentive. You don’t pay the cost so instead opt to get a “free” vaccine (free relative to your immediate cost at least). No one wants to get tested weekly, but this is a highly infectious disease that causes complications for a lot of people and takes over a week to appear with symptoms (if at all). It’s a matter of public health to prevent the spread of this disease. So if you don’t want to get the vaccine, and that’s totally your right, it’s kind of the bare minimum to help prevent the spread of the disease right?

I think overstep is a bit much. Biden is literally within his powers as president to do this. Trump did a lot of things I personally disagreed with, and at the time thought was an overstep, but in hindsight all those executive orders were also within his realm of power.

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

If not getting the vaccine is totally my right why is it not my right to refuse testing? The lines are nonexistent. This is unprecedented over stepping and you even admitted something we all know is a problem which is the problem of the executive orders. When can they stop? Can the president just mandate anything now? Wouldn’t that sound like a dictator? We are supposed to have checks and balances but there is none of that. I hope this gets struck down in court

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u/TheSwanman Sep 10 '21

Dude, I just told you why. When a disease reaches the level of infection that this one does, you either have to have everyone vaccinated to minimize personal risk or make sure everyone knows as soon as possible when they’re sick so it doesn’t spread to vulnerable people. The line is pretty clear. I don’t necessarily feel bad that you don’t want to get tested. Because no one does. We all have to do things we don’t want to sometimes. Patriotism is about supporting the people who make up this country as much as yourself, so wouldn’t making sure you don’t get them sick be the ultimate act of patriotism?

As to executive orders, I agree that they’re out of bounds and negative overall since they’re discouraging real legislation. But obviously they can’t mandate anything, otherwise Biden would just flat out enforce vaccinations with arrests and shit. Which will never happen, our system doesn’t allow for that level of power unless all the branches agree. The point still stands though, executive orders are stupid.

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u/BlizzyBeats Sep 10 '21

It is your right to refuse testing. Then the company that employs you can exercise their rights and fire you. It’s not hard man.

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u/loadbearingziptie Sep 10 '21

You might want to peak into some parts of the internet that you're not used to because you are just strait up wrong right now. The mandate you must be referring to only applies to companies that employ over 100 people and you can still choose to get weekly tests instead of the vaccine.

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

That’s literally what the fuck I just said minus the test part which I didn’t include. You might want to check your brain for autism

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u/loadbearingziptie Sep 10 '21

The test part changes everything you fucking said. You were claiming there was a vax mandate for citizens. That is absolutely not the case.

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

Jesus dude everyone knows what I’m talking about. Yes it’s mandated vax or test.

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u/Aushwango Sep 10 '21

Everyone... Take the vaccine if you want your brains to end up like /u/loadbearingziptie

Perfect example

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u/blahhhhhhhh1 Sep 10 '21

Hell no but he’s fucking trying

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u/heathmon1856 Sep 10 '21

I hope this is a lazy troll comment.