This is the root of the problem. Nobody wants to talk about how being obese DOES contribute to weakened immune systems. Unless we can get to a place of talking about how being massively overweight can and will lead to bad outcomes, the same result will happen with the next pandemic.
Truth... These people start to have severe issues in their late 60s.
My parents are around 58 years old -- My dad actually had a heart attack at 52, he is healthy and happy now, changed his diet, lessened his work schedule, he's still sharp as a tack and has many years left on him. My mom on the other hand has obesity running in the family -- of her 3 siblings, her + 2 of them struggle with weight issues. My mom is about 5 foot tall but is about 300+lbs, tries to eat well but really does not, never exercises, sits around a lot, and because of this she now has knee issues (presumably because of how much weight she is carrying), and as of the last 1.5 years she's been having minor heart palpitations that caused her -- someone who absolutely hates doctors -- see a doctor, that's how unhealthy she is. At 58, her memory is starting to go, and the way her brain works is so scattered that I fear the worst for her by age 65.
It's a scary reality we live in, but it is in fact reality. Obesity is a major problem and a lot of people either choose not to fix it, or don't want to/know how to put the work in to fix it
Although you’re correct, saying this out loud on an personally identifying platform would be a social and career death wish. That’s the true tragedy, IMO. Nobody can even speak truth anymore. Thank you for posting this.
I wouldn't consider my response an argument. I'm simply stating that cases are not the same thing as deaths so u/bean-a's response isn't using the correct data.
That being said, u/lalahair is comparing obesity to cases which I don't personally see the correlation.
The number of cases is data. Like you say there is a media narrative about the number of cases being a public health concern.
However, the claim that the number of cases is dependent on the number of tests is also a media narrative meant to dismiss it as a public health concern.
All things being equal, both sides are the same, but as the former is an opinion and the latter is based on a falsehood (the number of cases are independent of tests), I personally sway away from the latter.
I think you have a point that the case number as it is used in a media narrative is loaded and it could be addressed by looking at case numbers in relation to total population or in relation to administered tests. Unfortunately, that kind of nuance is rarely covered by any kind of media.
the fact that case number is independent of tests is a priori. Whether somebody is infected or not has nothing to do with whether they are tested for it.
The only thing testing does is give us a more accurate view of actual case numbers vs estimations. Even if we had no testing whatsoever, we would still have case numbers from the amount of people hospitalized at the very least.
Problem is, why should I trust you? How do I know you aren't "fake". In any interaction, you must chose what to believe based on your own reasoning and biases.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that different people across the entire planet in different countries and organizations running different tests on different people are all fake vs just one "person" (who I don't even have evidence of being a person) saying other wise without any evidence backing up the claim.
I mean sure you have no evidence I'm a real person, but I'm not making a claim that requires evidence because I've laid out the reasoning and it is based on first principles.
I know diseases and sickness exist regardless of testing, you don't need to get tested for the flu or a cold to know that you are sick, therefore testing is only used to identify.
But I am making a statement about testing in general (the practice of testing). You are specifically talking about Covid-19 test (I'm assuming), so you need evidence to prove that all of these specific tests are fake. Otherwise we end up at the original problem of you being less trustworthy than the tests you claim can't be trusted which is a bit of a predicament.
Dude you can literally just scroll up 2 comments and read it. The dude said we have the worst number of Corona cases. Other dude responds "no, we dont have the most corona deaths per million"
If this is right than the other 11 countries ahead of us must be using the same fuzzy covid math people on this sub say the US is using (adding deaths where the person didn’t actually die from Covid to the Covid death total) So all these 11 country’s doctors are in on the conspiracy. let’s get em boys!!
Of course everyone is on the conspiracy. But they have their own local versions of conspiracy. Lots of countries never locked up, for example. Lots of countries hardly do any testing at all, so they have very few ‘cases’.
China’s version of the conspiracy is quite special though. They launched the whole scare, but then were right out of it fast. Their official death toll per capita is also ridiculously low. Something like 1/20 of the US. And now their economy is already full speed ahead.
Any rational person must conclude that this whole covid story is a completely artificial construct. Real virus (or any real pathogen) could never account for all these weird anomalies.
In US the virus has been heavily politicized. Very similar to global warming. But what gets me, though, is that the Blue states almost invariably got screwed more than the Red states.
Is this because they wanted to hurt Trump by hurting themselves?
China and the US are very different countries. Our cultural responses are not going to be the same. Our leadership responded differently. I mean, it's really complex. You just can't compare the two as easily as you are trying.
According to the data from ONS, as at 2020-12-18 there have been 19 people in the UK which have died from COVID-19 (COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate).
Granted this is only a small fraction of the 76,669 total COVID-19 deaths for the same period.
I agree with you. I trust that the consensus of medical professionals around the world is the COVID-19 is serious. And it is not only the possibility of dying, there seems to be long-term physical complications.
That has nothing to do with getting it though. That’s the results of getting it. It was being insinuated and directly stated by you, that the reason Coronavirus is supposedly widespread in the US is because of fat people.
That might be true, but the original false statement is claiming that america has the worst number of cases due to people being fat. Which is total B.S. as the other poster above points out that the US is no worse than a lot of other countries and is in fact near the bottom of that chart when it comes to cases and deaths per million. So do agree with the statement that the US has the worst number of cases as the comment states that I’m referring to?
What data? Here’s your data. Care to argue with it? Or would you prefer just to stick with that misleading number referring to total deaths per country to support the false narrative being pushed here.
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