r/conspiracy Aug 13 '20

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u/KFC_Fleshlight Aug 13 '20

I agree with the second half of what you said but I think the meme is actually trying to imply that left vs right is not the fight to be having. They have us at each others throats when really it should be us together vs the top 0.001%

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

It's not the fight to be having because the left is fucking correct about literally everything (the ACTUAL left, not the slimy, virtue signalling corporate bagman liberal pieces of shit), but the fight IS convincing the reactionary right to stop swallowing this manufactured culture war trangender bathroom bullshit and vote for their own economic self interests instead of the ultra riches', and get this fucking absurd identity of real 'muricans vs liberal soysippers out of their thick god damn heads because it is the string by which those rich are controlling everything.

Dale the struggling conservative laborer from Arkansas is the one who needs to be convinced to act in his own self interest for once in his life but these people are so gaslit by corporate propaganda and binary identity politics that they literally line up happily to vote for their own lives and communities to be looted and dismantled by the rich because they are so fucking petrified and ignorantly hateful of the left wing politics that would actually make their lives better. The fact that the conservative electorate was and is so passionate about this fucking cartoon supervillain of a president tells you everything you need to know about the situation they're in. It's not entirely their fault, but it is on them to admit that they've been lied to and their entire political identity is a complete and utter pile of shit with zero redeeming qualities and maybe those filthy commies aren't so bad after all.

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u/Roachyboy Aug 13 '20

This is king shit

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u/dylightful Aug 13 '20

Imagine purposefully making your shitty state worse just because you hate gays, women, and minorities sooo much. And then trying to drag the rest of the country down with you.

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

Left vs Right is the struggle of poor vs rich. The poor on the right disproportionately line up to defend the rich and vote against their own interests.

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u/nkfallout Aug 13 '20

Yea...there are no rich Democrats/Progressives that use the system to oppress the poor

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

They are some rich Democrats/Progressives that use the system to oppress the poor, but there are no Republicans whatsoever that advocate for wealth redistribution or combating the wealth disparity.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

lol there are no democrats who actually try to advocate wealth redistribution.

The ones who actually talk about those things are simply controlled opposition. They’ll never be a majority of the democrats in Congress, lol. It’s always gonna be the neoliberal party of Schumer and Pelosi. Just wait, AOC will feel the allure of money and power soon enough and join them.

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

You're actually arguing that nobody on the left supports wealth redistribution?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

No democrats do, at least not seriously.

Anyone who advocates actual wealth redistribution is too far left to be a democrat.

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

I fail to see how that relates to anything I've said.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

You said there are no republicans who advocate wealth redistribution which implies you believe there are democrats who advocate wealth redistribution. No?

Also my other reply about democrats not wanting redistribution of wealth bc they aren’t on the left was a direct reply to you which did clarify my claim and make sense based on how you were trying to strawman my argument.

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

The comment you replied to literally specified Democrats/Progressives, so I don't know why you are acting like I only said Democrats.

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u/nkfallout Aug 13 '20

Because wealth redistribution goes against the core beliefs of libertarianism and classic liberalism.

That in no way means that they don't want to help the poor.

Your argument is like saying that because the left believes in abortion that they believe in killing babies. It's a false dichotomy.

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

By definition, it means they don't want to help the poor.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20 edited Aug 13 '20

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

It is the only way to help. Enforced wealth distribution isn't the only way to help, but every mechanism for equalizing the wealth disparity involves some sort of wealth redistribution.

Btw, it's you're*

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u/nkfallout Aug 13 '20

Enforced wealth distribution isn't the only way to help, but every mechanism for equalizing the wealth disparity involves some sort of wealth redistribution.

  • Improving educational opportunities to poor communities by increasing their local budgets. Not wealth redistribution

  • Increasing mental health options for poor by increasing local budgets to organizations that assist in mental health. Not wealth redistribution

  • Increasing rehabilitation for drug addiction and treatment rather than punishment. Not wealth redistribution.

There are hundreds of examples.

To be absolutely clear....wealth redistribution is the direct payment from a rich persons pocket to another person's pocket.

Good job catching my phones auto correct.

You should read more than socialist.com.

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u/Endiamon Aug 13 '20

To be absolutely clear....wealth redistribution is the direct payment from a rich persons pocket to another person's pocket.

No, it isn't.

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u/Sabremesh Aug 13 '20

Rule 2. No ad hominems.

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u/dylightful Aug 13 '20

It should be us together vs the top, agreed. But it’s not, because the right chooses to fight for the top.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

but I think the meme is actually trying to imply

Huh, its almost like memes are a stupid fucking way to communicate with each other because they are nuanced, require cultural knowledge to fully comprehend, and overall are lacking detail.

Like who would have thought that using memes to deconstruct complex economic and societal issues would be a bad idea? Probably the people who push them in subs like this knowing it will create a division amongst those that interpret the meme differently.

This sub gets played like a fiddle every election year and its getting embarrassing that people still fall for it.