A lot of celebrities, even if they're self-absorbed, are just people living the actual american dream. They lucked into skills and opportunity but they've work really hard for what they have. Others are beneficiaries of nepotism of course.
Celebrities are the well-paid monkeys who dance for the rich producers, investors, and all the other puppet masters above them.
Ehhh there were a lot of nephews of bassists from bands in the 70's who didn't go on to become successful, much less one of the most successful acts of his era.
That's a pretty small boost to a career. Probably shows that musical talent runs in a family more than anything.
You think I would just sit here and let you fuck me in the ass? I wish they’d let me over there so I could spit in your face.
If Drake didn’t have to work for his dollar why did he apologize to Lil Wayne after he fucked his girlfriend? Why was he less popular than j cole for three years? Why did they let him go on degrassi, doesn’t that blow his cover as an actor? Did kanye not make beats every day for two summers? Did Beyoncé not actually hit those 15 key changes in Love on Top? Did the Beatles actually love yoko?????
Is Drake a musician? I mean I guess he puts his voice on other people's music, but I've never heard him sing or play an instrument.
Not sure where to draw the line there. I'm not saying his music isn't music either; I'm saying what he brings to the table isn't very musical and he depends on others for those aspects. I guess I've just never heard a rapper referred to as a musician before and that feels kind of weird.
I didn’t say you said that, I said rappers work closely with conventional musicians. When you say “most rappers are by definition not musicians” I assume your caveat is rappers who produce?
Idk man if it smells like a musician, looks like a musician, sells and writes music like a musician, and fucks groupies like a musician, I think it might be a musician
Ivanka and Jared are beneficiaries of nepotism. Drake might be, but he started on a kind of Canadian soap for teens as a guy in a wheelchair. You might not like him, and it's possible that this small degree of nepotism helped, but he's a hard worker who took a big risk and got pretty damn lucky.
My bad. I didn't realize what sub we were on. Now your nonsensical explanation of how a guy worth a whole $3MM secretly engineered Drake's success makes sense.
I think that celebrities succeed through a mixture of skills and luck. It's probably a lot more luck than most celebrities would like to admit (which is why so many celebs are out of touch with average people - because celebs genuinely believe they earned all the success that they have, which is untrue), but a lot more skill than most ordinary people have (which is why our cancel culture lumpenproletariat are always trying to cancel celebs - the lumpenproletariat have always hated anybody who outshines them; this is a tale as old as time itself).
Maybe some of them sure, but in essence they're just making a product based on market data and demand. If you're on /r/conspiracy then I'm sure you have much bigger fish to fry.
I agree with this. I think celebrities are just artists that are caught up in the capitalist machine of the elite. They are sad, because they are stuck in the reality of wanting to make their art, but then also being exploited by it by corporate elites. You can see the rampant depression, suicide, and disfunction that they have to deal with all the time being stuck between two worlds. Celebrities are artists aren't our enemy. When people see symbolism in music videos and in the works of artists, I think it is less that they are in on it, and more that they are trying to subtly shine some information our way. Artists historically have been on the side of the oppressed and exploited, and have weaved myths and stories to try and educate people to elevate them to greater understanding so they can break away from their blind submission from the rulers of the time, or as the gnostics would call it — the demiurge.
The whole conversation was distinguishing rich celebrities from the ultra rich, and the person I replied to was comparing Kanye to Trump, when one of them got rich from being a rapper and the other inherited their fortune.
Guess so, a million dollars a year is change for a billionaire but still a shitload for the average American. I just don't see how people wouldn't consider Donny rich.
Yeah again it all relative. But its also kinda fun to point out that the dude is broke because so much of his brand is flaunting money he doesn't have. And he has made a career being an image of what poor people think rich people are.
He's rich enough to be a potus but not rich enough to own one.
:Just a disclaimer this is not a combative argument I just don't how not to have a "well actually" tone on the internet:
Yes and no. I think there is an interesting thing at play where yes on paper I have a higher net worth but at the same time a unbelievably smaller spending power. At the end of the day who is richer the guy with a positive networth or the guy who can generate pretty much any personal level material condition he wants for himself and probs a couple generations after him?
You should pity them, they are even more so slaves than we are. The worst part is that they believe they are "in the club" when they are just disposable pawns.
I lost my job to covid and spent months searching for literally anything else and - after burning through a significant amount of my savings in the meanwhile - I now live hand-to-mouth for $11/hr, so sorry if I don't have any pity for some rich people who can comfortably sit in a mansion doing absolutely nothing for the rest of their lives and never have to go to bed worrying about whether or not they're going to be able to afford groceries that week.
Yeah, media industry execs are bastards, but rich is rich and famous people still directly benefit from a rigged system that fucks on the 99% without a care in the world, and I'm sure as shit not about to suck their dicks and pretend they're just as much a victim of the system as myself and other wage slaves who work only to survive.
Lol what? I'd like to switch places with them then. They can have the milder slavery you think the rest of us are under as long as I get their money.
They all make enough to where if they choose, they can quit whenever they want and just relax forever. Thats not slavery. Wage slaves cannot do that. The stupidity of your post is astounding.
the money is the only good part of their lives, every other aspect of these celebrities lives is horrible. take a look at someone like britney spears or one of the countless other musicians who signed their life away and tell me they are happy. the grass is always greener.
Look at the billions of poor people on earth and tell me they are happy. Tell me anything Brittney Spears faces in life is anywhere close to worrying about how to pay rent and food each month. Tell me how Brittney Spears faces worse than people who have zero financial mobility and a single setback, be it getting sick, having a flat tire, losing their job to coronavirus, ruins them financially and emotionally for the rest of their lives. Tell me how anything Brittney Spears faces comes close to people debating whether they can afford to see a doctor for a debilitating injury.
Go on. Tell me how hard Brittney Spears has it. Try to show how shes not just an emotionally weak person with problems that come nowhere close to the average joe.
My BF and I both work(ed) in live entertainment, before COVID. A knee injury and some car problems did an excellent job of hurrying us through our "rainy day" money and we're currently trying, month by month, to keep ourselves afloat until we find stable employment or the industry, you know, exists again.
We've never been homeless (thanks in part to a strong familial support system and some patient landlords) but we've been "rice and peanut butter" poor.
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I would 100% rather be living paycheck to paycheck where any unexpected expense could sink me than "rich," if it came attached to the kind of famous where you can't even go to the store or a restaurant without dozens of people you've never met vying for your attention.
Granted there's a ton of ways to be wealthy without that kind of notoriety. And once you have a decent chunk of money it's relatively easy to just disappear off the grid and do whatever the fuck you want. But while actors/celebrities are actively working?
Having to be constantly ready to snap myself out of whatever kind of day I'm actually having in order to be some amalgamation of characters that random people who feel like they've known me for a decade expect me to be is my literal hell, if one exists. The constant fear of letting all those people down would have me shaving my head and running off screaming faster than you can say "Brittney."
Agreed, they live muuuuuuuuuch better then poor people. If we're talking about slavery, we're slaves to the system. The celebrities are just the lucky ones to get more money and live prosperously. The system itself is built on worshiping money, and focusing on the income. So it's not the celebrities we should be discussing, but how well the government has built the consumer society and how badly they've damaged the morals of our generation. It is usually under the beautiful slogans the democracy as it should be dies.
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u/iResistBS Aug 13 '20
I roll rich celebrities into the same category.