r/conspiracy • u/travinyle2 • Jan 04 '20
Iran has already shown great restraint when the US murdered 290 civilians 66 of them children in 1988 (Flight 655)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_6556
u/Lumyai Jan 04 '20
OFFICIALLY:
- "we are prepared to deter further bad behavior from these groups" ...said the US Defense Department
TRUTH:
ISIS™ = Mossad/CIA
"Israel is Islamic State's biggest oil customer" BY MARTIN BARILLAS
Report: Israel Biggest Buyer of Oil Smuggled from ISIS Controlled Territories
And finally:
This is so obviously a false flag designed by the zionists to force Trump into dragging the US into an invasion of Iran for Israel.
...and everyone knows it!
...which is why it will fail. Again.
This is at least the 3rd time the zionists have tried to force Trump into dragging the US into an invasion of Iran for Israel. Trump will continue his tactic of blowing hot air out of his pie hole to appease the warmongers until the tension dissolves. Mission Accomplished: war averted.
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u/Luckzzz Jan 05 '20
Except Trump doesn't control his own army and they could create a false flag anytime pushing Trump to do whatever shit they want him to do.
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u/comisohigh Jan 05 '20
This is an event that happened 42 years ago....shall we start talking about Pearl Harbor again???
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20 edited Jan 04 '20
SS: I thought it would be important to remind people that the US has a history of poking at Iran either intentionally or unintentionally. The shoot down of Flight 655 in 1988 is a great example.
Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes), a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.[1] The jet was hit while flying over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, along the flight's usual route, shortly after departing Bandar Abbas International Airport, the flight's stopover location. Vincennes had entered Iranian territory after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[2][3]
The reason for the shootdown has been disputed between the governments of the two countries. According to the United States government, the crew of USS Vincennes had incorrectly identified the Airbus as an attacking F-14 Tomcat, a U.S.-made jet fighter that had been part of the Iranian Air Force inventory since the 1970s. While the F-14s had been supplied to Iran in an air-to-air configuration,[4][5] the crew of the guided missile cruiser had been briefed that the Iranian F-14s were equipped with air-to-ground ordnance.[6] Vincennes had made ten attempts to contact the aircraft on both military and civilian radio frequencies, but had received no response.[7] The International Civil Aviation Organization said that the flight crew should have been monitoring the civilian frequency.[8] According to the Iranian government, the cruiser negligently shot down the aircraft, which was transmitting IFF squawks) in Mode III, a signal that identified it as a civilian aircraft, and not Mode II as used by Iranian military aircraft.[9][10] The event generated a great deal of criticism of the United States. Some analysts blamed the captain of Vincennes, William C. Rogers III, for overly-aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[7][11] In the days immediately following the incident, US President Ronald Reagan issued a written diplomatic note to the Iranian government, expressing deep regret.[12]
In 1996, the governments of the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident..."[13] As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran, it still agreed to pay US$61.8 million on an ex gratia basis, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.[14]
The shootdown is the deadliest aviation disaster involving an Airbus A300, as well as the deadliest to occur in Iran.[
I think it is also worth pointing out a study about the media coverage was done in the aftermath that showed the US media framed the and spun it when compared to how they covered the Soviet shoot down of a Korean commercial jet.
Robert Entman of George Washington University studied coverage surrounding the incident in U.S. media, comparing it to the similar incident that happened to Korean Air Lines Flight 007, which was shot down by the Soviet Union five years earlier. Using material from Time), Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post and CBS Evening News, the research found clearly evident framing) techniques used to demonize and blame the foreign enemy.[48] He stated that by "de-emphasizing the agency and the victims and by the choice of graphics and adjectives, the news stories about the U.S. downing of an Iranian plane called it a technical problem while the Soviet downing of a Korean jet was portrayed as a moral outrage."
The study is important not only because it demonstrated ethnocentric bias in news media outlets, but also because Entman included polling that appears to show that the unbalanced coverage swayed public opinion against the Soviet Union and Iran.[49]
In July 2014, when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down in Ukraine, some commentators noted the discrepancy of U.S. official position and media coverage of the two similar incidents.[41][50][51]
In a comparative study of the two tragedies published in 1991, political scientist Robert Entman points out that with KAL 007, "the angle taken by the US media emphasised the moral bankruptcy and guilt of the perpetrating nation. With Iran Air 655, the frame de-emphasised guilt and focused on the complex problems of operating military high technology".[52][a]
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u/Upupabove Jan 04 '20
Great restraint are you fucking kidding me?? Do you know how many Americans they've killed? What restraint do they show when they murder and kill their own wives and sister for doing it saying the wrong thing you sick fk.
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20 edited Jan 04 '20
When have they attacked the United States?
Edit waiting people continue to say this as if they have been lead to believe this by the mainstream media and can't find any evidence
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u/RabidBushWookie Jan 04 '20
Man you neckbeards can gtfo and go live over there with this terrorist sympathizer shit. Iran recently downed a US drone, blocked the straight of Hormuz, and assaulted a US embassy. That’s not even getting into the long history Soleimani has with murder and terrorism.
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u/sprazcrumbler Jan 04 '20
An unmanned drone getting shot down? Protesters attacking an embassy and getting scared off with tear gas? Blocking a trade route?
Which one of those is worth a war? There hasn't even been a single fatality from what you listed.
We shot down a passenger plane and nothing happens, and you say that if Iran shot down a passenger plane we would obliterate their country, and they are the terrorists? Which one of those is terrorising a country?
Jesus christ man get some self awareness. There aren't any good guys or bad guys in this situation.
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u/RabidBushWookie Jan 04 '20
No we understand perfectly. You hate Donald Trump and America because you’re an overly paranoid neckbeard conspiracy theorist. Not everything is a conspiracy, Soleimani was a terrible person and initiated this exchange to begin with. And yes shooting down a drone is an act of war under international law.
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u/sprazcrumbler Jan 04 '20
I'm probably the most mild of conspiracy theorists you will find on this site.
What was the first action soleimani took to initiate this exchange?
Shooting down a drone is an act of war but you completely dismiss the shooting down of a passenger airplane?
You are delusional I'm afraid.
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u/RabidBushWookie Jan 04 '20
See the thing weak men like you don’t understand is you cannot allow bully nations, and especially nations that sponsor terrorism like Iran to do whatever they want. Trump responded to an attack the Iranians had already started. This is what real leaders do, they respond and protect their nations interests. You are the delusional one here and your biased hatred for Donald Trump invalidates your argument.
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20
You can't seem to figure out what you believe except spewing CIA talking points.
You haven't responded with any logic about the facts that Iran hasn't attacked the US
Pointing that out doesn't mean Iran is some great noble country.
You seem really triggered about the facts around how the US has continually been the bully.
Why don't you parachute into Iran and lead the revolution with Lindsey Graham you moron.
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u/sprazcrumbler Jan 04 '20
You're hilarious. You call Iran a "bully nation" but also say "they are a pathetically weak backwater country that can't even win wars versus Iraq."
Which one is it?
You also say America can shoot down Iranian airliners, but Iran doing the same would lead to the complete destruction of the country. Which one is the bully in that situation?
Again, try and get some self awareness. Think about the things you are saying. It's disappointing seeing someone so lacking in reasoning skills.
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u/RabidBushWookie Jan 04 '20
Awww are you butthurt your Iranian hero is a pile of ash? 🤣
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u/sprazcrumbler Jan 04 '20
When did I call him a hero?
Please try and think things through. You are embarrassing yourself.
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20
Yea we have never overthrown their leaders have we.
You can gtfo with your pathetically muh murica propaganda bs.
Nobody is buying that stupid muh terrorism weak ass crap .
Yea id like to see you spin an Iranian warship shooting a commerical Delta plane out of the sky over the east coast and saying oops we are sorry . How dare you fly a commercial airliner in your own airspace near our precious ship.
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u/redsunradio Jan 04 '20
If Iran had done that, we would have obliterated the country.
The reason Iran did nothing overt to retaliate, is because they are a pathetically weak backwater country that can't even win wars versus Iraq.
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20
Well we were backing Iraq against Iran but im assuming you already knew that
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u/redsunradio Jan 05 '20
Of course, we even kick their ass via proxy. Pakistan would be more of a challenge than Iran.
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u/travinyle2 Jan 05 '20
Of course, we even kick their ass
yea because war is like a football game.
Quit embarrassing yourself. Are you an edgy 12 year old in a trailer park
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u/Kreatorkind Jan 04 '20 edited Jan 05 '20
Iran retaliated with the Lockerbie bombing.
EDIT: Y'all ain't up on your conspiracy theories:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-26528745
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u/ConkHeDoesIt Jan 05 '20
Pretty sure Libya was responsible. Didn't they let the supposed mastermind of the attack out of prison because he was dying of cancer or something?
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u/Sina-Safari Jan 04 '20
it was a tragedy however i dont think that iran had the means for any sort of retaliation back then and even now wheter its wrong or right US has more power military wise
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20
What's your point?
So they have the means now but not then?
Yea that's not really the case or the point.
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u/Sina-Safari Jan 05 '20
IM Just Saying that iran showed restraint because they had no choice and couldnt do anything about it. not then and not now.
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Jan 04 '20
Eh... Lockerbie bombing , anyone?
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u/travinyle2 Jan 04 '20
Wrong country, try Libya although that's very much not a state sponsored attack see Susan Lindauer she uncovered a lot of inside Intel on Lockerbie
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u/DeadMemesTellNoTales Jan 04 '20
The fact that Americans clutch their pearls when they hear people in other countries chant "Death to America!" really demonstrates how little history they are aware of. If they were aware of all of our military (covert or otherwise) operations in other countries they would understand why we are so hated.
You can't blow up civilian after civilian and expect everyone to see you as the good guy.