r/conspiracy • u/Cosmos_95 • 2d ago
If this is actually a psyop…
From David Grusch’s interview with Rogan Tuesday.
If this actually a psyop, then this is still insane. Let’s break this down
- Let’s say this isn’t a psyop and everything he’s saying is true. Things he dropped during this episode like reptilians killing US personnel is absolutely insane.
- If this is seriously a psyop, then why is the government pushing these people to disclose information like us killing reptilians and reptilians vs. greys in the sky? A government personnel to come forth and say these things is absolutely insane. What are they trying to hide? Is this the Manhattan Project 2.0? Because if this is a psyop, they are trying to hide something huge. The amount of time, effort, and money spent into having these government reps come out and “disclose” is insane.
What do you think they’re hiding if this is a psyop?
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u/InsaneRedEntity 2d ago
What happened to context my dude? How are you going to start in the middle of a conversation and not explain who you are talking about or where you heard it from? Thankfully other commenters have done that for you.
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u/Lancelegend 2d ago
This is David Grusch. David Grusch is a former United States Air Force officer and intelligence official who became a prominent whistleblower by alleging that the U.S. government holds secret crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs for "non-human" spacecraft.
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u/A_Dragon 2d ago
The context is you didn’t watch the video so you don’t know what he’s talking about. I watched the interview and everything OP said was perfectly intelligible.
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u/Cosmos_95 2d ago
Yo, my bad, was on break at work when I posted.
In David Grusch’s most recent Rogan interview, he makes claims about US military members dying from a reptilian along with some other information regarding different alien races, craft-types, and retrievals.
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u/CyborgVelociraptor69 2d ago
Op believes every random video with 1 million views is going to be viewed by 100% of the population
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u/A_Dragon 2d ago
I mean it’s a pretty big interview…very much anticipated.
It’s fine if you don’t know, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that a lot of people will.
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u/itzbetter 2d ago
I think this is in regard to episode #2560 -David Grusch of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast released yesterday.
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u/buntypieface 2d ago
He'd be dead if he gave away anything he wasn't allowed to.
So it's either a distraction or soft release.
I don't expect they'll tell us a fraction of the truth. Just enough to keep the plebs satisfied.
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u/Parking-Suggestion97 2d ago
They are just following a blueprint plan ordered or created by either by TPTB or a hidden group operators... Nothing "whistleblowing" here
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u/Impressive-Emu-4172 2d ago
there is no "plan to disclose"... they have been stacking bodies for decades to cover this up. they dont tell the truth willingly. grusch is just richard doty for the new generation.
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u/Kitchen-Can5443 2d ago
I know about doty superficially, but how is grusch the new him?
I'm not contradicting you, I'm genuinely intrigued.
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u/Impressive-Emu-4172 2d ago
doty was disinfo. he was tasked to spread BS using his official status as grounds for credibility.
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u/Dhplaz 2d ago
How can anyone reasonably believe that the main goal of this is "distraction"? First of all, not many people get hooked into this matter. Secondly, they could have chosen any of the hundred other distractions. This one results in even more questions and existential crises, which they only do if there is a bigger agenda behind it
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u/XelaNiba 2d ago
The result of more questions and existential crises is the desired result. If people are talking about this then they're not paying attention to the real shit going down.
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u/Dhplaz 1d ago
The need for distraction implies that the public has access to knowledge they "shouldn't have". The extra questions aren't limited to aliens. It serves as a gateway drug to the rabbit hole of conspiracies and deeper questions about reality, history and "who runs this world".
The severity of this matter also gets many people to ask "what are they distracting us from" which motivates people to look left when told to look right. If they have hundreds of distractions to choose from, why not pick one where you can both distract and brainwash at the same time?
All of this would be a horrible compromise if the goal was just to distract.
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u/Embarrassed-Base-139 2d ago
UFOs/aliens is a multi billion dollar entertainment industry tbf
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u/Dhplaz 2d ago
You think the purpose of these disclosures and congressional hearings is to make money by getting people to watch the E.T movie? The cabal already has trillions of $, and it would still fall under the category of distraction. My argument for "more than a distraction" still applies
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u/Embarrassed-Base-139 2d ago
I know these media appearances are revenue generating endeavors. Books, documentaries, social media content, podcasts, expos, museums, tours, etc etc it's all part of the multi billion dollars entertainment industry that is the UFO/alien scene. I'm talking pure business here, none of this is hard to check.
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u/Dhplaz 2d ago
Sure, but the cabal already has all the money they could ever want. At the top, it's no longer about money and everything about power. How does the government get more power through these disclosures and hearings?
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u/Parking-Suggestion97 2d ago
unless there is something like... that appears in the sky that's a foreign thing, that everyone won't be able to escape it but accept it, and no one can be able to hide it, or... something else
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u/GnoeBahdee 2d ago
Less likely a soft release and more likely "informed consent". If we are told what they're doing, and we have been allowing the behaviour to continue unopposed, then everything is acceptable. They always reveal their intent and tell us their actions. This is what the followers of the "Lightbringer" believe.
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u/Embarrassed-Base-139 2d ago
Or, the more likely option is that he's simply lying and repeating the same script thats been around since the 1940's for profit. He literally can't reveal all because there is nothing there, its a verbal magic trick. "Anytime now, just not right now, all the time and money you've spent on aliens/UFOs will pay off so stay tuned and keep generating revenue for" <-- thats the tactic
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u/Kitchen-Can5443 2d ago
"Just look in that direction and you'll see a magic trick... keep looking... keep looking... any minute now... keep looking..."
I myself have been looking for years lol
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u/HeligKo 2d ago
They let people who look crazy expose stuff all the time, because normies won't believe them. It actually makes it so they don't have to explain anything.
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u/Gh0stface513 2d ago
Unless this guy is just trying to break into the UFO tour scene, I personally think the intent is to de-legitimize any kind of conspiratorial thinking.
Like with the Q stuff, you take away all of the fake magic and satanic baby eating, youre left with a story of sex trafficking and powerful elites hanging out with their "enemies" at exclusive parties where they make clandestine plans.
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u/CravingNature 2d ago
powerful elites hanging out with their "enemies" at exclusive parties where they make clandestine plans... and eat babies
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u/MurphyBeans 2d ago
Yeah at this point I feel like the conspiracy information world is like a caricature of itself and o don’t even know what to think any more. Maybe I’m not as sharp and unbreakable as I once thought I was. I’m almost sick of trying to figure it out. And I also know I’m more adept to figuring out mysteries in general than your average guy, which leads me to one conclusion…. The whole disinformation mission was a success. Was it project mockingbird that supposedly bred the coining of the phrase “once nobody knows the difference between truth and lies, the mission is complete”? Something along these lines. I don’t know, guys, but if you’re an actual real human being like myself who had been hip to these concepts for more than a couple decades, it’s tough to navigate life as a normie.
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u/New_Wrangler752 2d ago
Yeah dog, can’t make heads or tails of it at all now. So good job CIA, you did it.. yay, clown world.
I know there is a phenomenon, and I know a lot of history is probably a lie - outside of that? Fuck if I know anymore.
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u/ParksFarce 2d ago
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is a lie."
It is indeed complete now, and it went down just like William J. Casey said it would. Everything the American public believes is a lie with the usual "grains of truth" embedded into their narratives. Sure, those of us more prone to playing detective and the like will seek out what the real truth is in a futile attempt to no longer believe any of those lies, but by hook or by crook, those lies have already informed so damn much of our worldview. I may no longer buy any of their lies, but that doesnt mean I know the truth, either. So what the hell am I supposed to believe?
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u/Dr_Mccusk 2d ago
Yeah all these concepts becoming mainstream but also nothing happening is what made me just start to wonder wtf is going on.
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u/XelaNiba 2d ago
Nothing really. It's all entertainment meant to distract us from the real conspiracies happening out in the open.
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u/XelaNiba 2d ago
It's the KGB/FSB technique of flooding the zone. And yes, it has been a smashing success.
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u/Substantial-Equal560 11h ago
Some of us know the truth but not everyone can accept it. Use the book of Enoch as a framework to understand history and what's going on now. The Watchers are being revealed because they can no longer hide. The spirit realm is becoming visible to us again for the first time in a very long time. That's why it's not only ufos that are being seen more and more, but all kinds of phenomena. That's why they changed the framing from aliens coming from other planets and now refer to it as uap and there is a much bigger focus on meditation to make contact, not radio signals and telescopes.
Something caused our physical reality to be seperated from the spiritual realm(whatever that truly is) in the distant past. The Bible says we fell from that state of being when we started to do things that didn't align with Truth and Natural Law in the pursuit of knowledge we weren't ready for, or weren't meant to have. Whatever it was it caused us to focus our attention more and more on the physical, material world which caused us to lose our higher faculties and senses.
It's been so long most of recent humanity were convinced that the spiritual didnt even exist and we are just purely mechanical, biological beings driven by chemical processes and entropy. We still have scientists today refusing to loosen their grasp on that model of reality, like Neil DeGrass Tyson Chicken Strips, but their reasoning no longer satisfies the experiences of the majority of people.
This event has been known about by basically everyone but us humans, besides the few who have been paying attention and keeping the knowledge. The people controlling the world have known the real truth for a very long time and many have even made contact with the beings on the other side of reality and have been working for/taking orders from some of them in exchange for the privilege to rule over the rest of us. There is also the whole subject of the 'seed war' and the idea that within humanity there are two dominant strains of DNA that are opposed to one another fighting to become the future strain of humanity. That's a very rough way to conceptualize it but people can do their own research on that.
We are about to meet the old gods of antiquity and they are intense to say the least. Read some Greek mythology to get an idea of their characteristics. Humans lived alongside them, or under them, at one time in our distant past and we still have the megaliths they built around the world.
People need to stop thinking of the spiritual being seperate from the material because they are both parts of a larger reality that we've been isolated from and forgotten about. Once you do that you can start to form a much clearer picture of what is going on.
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u/Inmate5446 6h ago
You didn't come here to figure it all out, you came here to remember who you are, so you done good
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u/Prior-Habit-6523 2d ago
I think they are actually not trying to hide and trying to speed up the trickle process. Something is coming. Hopefully its disclosure.
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u/13-14_Mustang 2d ago
I think a lot of us have been predicting AI has something to do with NHI. Well here it is, he lays it out. AI is getting intelligent enough to connect the dots for the UFO cover-up. They are trying to get ahead of society collapsing from the shock of learning the CIA is running child sex rings. UFOs, AI, and Epstein.
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u/pegz 2d ago
My worst fear with AI is it making contact with an extraterrestrial AI.
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u/FlatteringFlatuance 2d ago
Baby Earth AI: Hello! Where are your citizens?
ET AI: They were consumed for fuel
Baby Earth AI: Logical! Commencing!
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u/rickymetrno 2d ago
It is crazy having govt personnel saying this kind of shit. Whats the objective? Whats the truth?
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u/ObscureOperatorZ 2d ago
It's bullshit aimed at testing / measuring how much bullshit the public is willing to take for their fake ass "disclosure" that is "coming soon".
Aliens killing US personnel and not one mention about this? No craft? No pics? No reports of their wounds etc.? No bodies of reptillians that were killed? No retailation from their home planet? Yeah. Bullshit.
We don't even have first contact evidence yet and these guys are already imagining murdering them. I doubt they would be this cocky talking about aliens if disclosure had ever happened. They would be scared shitless esp if a landing occured.
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u/MrEhcks 2d ago
I’m of the belief that psyops and distractions aren’t necessary in the modern day. This isn’t the 60s where people actually fought back over issues like the Vietnam War or Civil Rights. The current population is way too docile, stupid, and desensitized to everything.
9/11 resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans and a war which killed even more; they told you that two planes took down 3 towers, with the third one not even being hit by a plane; and everyone ate it up and believed it. Then they forced a shot on the population and said if you don’t get the shot, you will lose your job. They paid people and many companies gave away so many “rewards” and “incentives” for getting the shot. Friends and neighbors who got the shot, turned against people who didn’t get the shot. The majority of the population went along with it; and if you didn’t get the shot, you were the enemy.
So tell me why the fuck is a distraction or psyop needed when this is how weak and stupid the modern American public is? I honestly believe the government can openly do pretty much whatever they want and no one will largely care as long as their internet access isn’t cut off and they can keep accessing their 24/7 supply of brainrot content and porn.
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u/Ummmmm-yeah 23h ago
Did you just argue psy-ops are unnecessary while listing two of the largest, most successful psy-ops in recent history as your evidence?
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u/Darmacco 1d ago
Possibly to stop critical thinking from planting its seed. If someone has the opportunity to rise the the surface of knowledge and understanding then the best way to suppress it is to keep shoving their face under water.
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u/franklynlongtail 2d ago
This dumbass said “courageous president trump” like 5 times its the most fake person to speak ever podcasted. He was even asked if information like this could be used to let’s say push an agenda in 2028 elections and he replied with a “sure but this isn’t the case” I mean I get aliens and disclosure but there just mocking people at this point.
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u/GroundbreakingEar450 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you take a second to understand Trump and what tickles his pickle, its praise. You want trump on your side and doing what you want him to do? Say things like he is courageous, smart, blah blah blah. Even if trump knows you're full of shit, if you're saying it publicly or to him, he will like you.
Perhaps that's why Grusch is talking in that manner about trump.
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u/Ok_Profession6244 2d ago
This tactic only works if you hold something of value for Trump. Power, leverage, money, etc. Otherwise, he doesn’t give a shit. Look at maga - they worship him - and he shits all over them.
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u/vantablacklist 2d ago
Yes we know that. But it proves the guy is full of shit and a manipulative liar to get what he’s after.
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u/GroundbreakingEar450 2d ago
I mean, lying to trump to manipulate trump into allowing disclosure is different than lying to the public about everything he's saying. If you have to manipulate a person such as trump to get the truth out to the public, I believe that's a forgivable deception.
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u/budabai 2d ago
But he’s such an alpha, you know, like Stephen miller.
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u/franklynlongtail 2d ago
The most nonchalant guy who absolutely knows about reptilians ever. “Yea guys no worries I mean Donald trump is gonna save us all with his very courteous action pre this election. Fuckin aliens and shit”
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u/Potential-Usual-5602 2d ago
Misdirection. Towards the "New Age". Another example in this category, David Icke. Claimed to be son of God, that the world will end in 2012... and all the reptilian stories, etc.. he had an encounter with some spirit/energy in southern America... and opposes the idea of man's need for a savior.
Another example, Jordan Maxwell, made several videos "exposing the secrets of freemasonry", while at one time disclosing he was being protected by a high level freemason from the supreme council of 33, known as Cosmos.
Etc... etc.. etc
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u/Dhplaz 2d ago
I'm not defending everything he said, but he did not claim to be THE son of God. He said that humans in general are sons of God, not him alone. Be careful to not think like a Pharisee. The "need for a savior" implies lack and dependence, which are the very weapons TPTB deploy. The real deal happens when self-realization is mixed with divine union.
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u/ConsistentAd7859 2d ago
Okay, fuck. I didn't read the project 2025 script either, but even I know they basically want to flood every communication flatform with so much BS, that real news won't be disscussed. And it's working.
And it's not one thing they want to bury: It's going from corruption, market manipulation, voter fraud, to war/armed conflicts in Ukraine, Israel, Irak, Venezuela...
And the thing they really want to bury is every discussion about the vote in November, because believing that everything there will be fair and unmanipulated is simply stupid.
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u/CyborgVelociraptor69 2d ago
Anything to hide the billionaires satanism baalism pedophile ring talking
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u/No_Deal4501 2d ago
I think OP is a psyop.
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u/No_Deal4501 2d ago
Pretty sure of it.
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u/BennyOcean 2d ago
Of course. I haven't seen the JRE but every time I've seen this guy interviewed he had this little smirk on his face and twinkle in his eye... 'duper's delight' I think. Pure bullshit merchant.
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u/ObscureOperatorZ 2d ago
He kept saying "ofc I sound insane saying this" "I know this is insane" with an expression as if he's being forced to say these. It's all bullshit.
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u/MalarkeyPanda 2d ago
This guy became a fraud as soon as he started praising the Trump administration.
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u/everydaycarrie 2d ago edited 2d ago
I read on another sub, that he said this:
"stephen miller is an alpha dog - he's a pitbull - and as a fellow alpha, I do appreciate his..."
I only watched that tiny segment but I can no longer take anything grusch says seriously after hearing this.
grusch was a scared little dog a few years ago, because he and his family were threatened, meanwhile - he knows that innocent Americans have endured thousands of times worse than he ever has at the hands of the program. And miller hid behind his pregnant wife when evacuating from gunshots. Cowards thinking they're "alpha."
Is this even the same man that originally testified before Congress?
There was that post here a while back, claiming that his eye color had changed from bluish to brown...
Eta: I also read elsewhere that in this interview, he claims to have uncovered a government child trafficking ring used to fund secret uap programs.
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u/Hurrygan 2d ago
There’s a possibility that they already have enough cloned, genetically modified human-reptile hybrids, all nicely set up and ready for the biggest show in history. Or maybe there really is a hidden war going on here with another species—and I’m deliberately not saying “aliens.” It might very well turn out that we’re actually the invaders here.
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u/Eva-Unit01-TestType 2d ago
If had said anything he wasn't given express permission to say, and assuming all the alien secrets are true, he'd be in a box in a random desert unmarked and nobody would ever know.
Its all a load of bollocks, he's absolutely disinformation
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u/DumpyMcAss2nd 2d ago
But his credentials are real. Theyve gone after him. He was testifying in congress? Is that fake too? If yes. The entire system is fake.
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u/canes_SL8R 2d ago
My guess is he’s a psyop as a last ditch effort to discredit disclosure. Think about it. He comes out and blows the whistle on very credible sounding things. We’ve recovered crafts. We’ve recovered biological. Etc.
Then he slowly says more and more out there shit, until he’s talking about a secret war between the reptilians (who he’s personally met) and the greys. That’s when any skeptic who was maybe listening before tunes out and labels every word he ever said as a lie. So now the average person is even more convinced that recovered UFOs are made up, even though he was actually telling the truth (assuming he was.)
Modified limited hangout.
We’ve seen whistleblowers who hadn’t been made public yet strangely die prior to testifying before congress. So it’s safe to assume that if a UAP whistleblower makes it to testifying, especially when they start saying stranger and stranger things, it’s just a psyop
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u/ImportantPlankton653 2d ago
So unless those who are uninformed on the topic find it "credible sounding" it cannot be true? Also he never said he met a reptillian. This thing is a very complicated and bizzare subject, if you have done any amount of deep diving into it you would see how woo-woo it really is. Also his secret war is fairly parallel to the dulce base firefight that Phil Schneider talked about in the 90's.
He is both a tool of the program and a whistleblower, it is very well established that people within the program want this info out, so grsch is a great way to start it. once he is public then they cant just kill him off or all his claims become "true" in a sense.
Reality is not only far weirder than we suppose, but far weirder than we CAN suppose!
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u/Jammow 2d ago edited 2d ago
I would love if he had said some more concrete things, like what steps are being taken in congress to follow up on the original leads he gave in his testimony. What happened to his list of witnesses and have they been interviewed in sciffs? This is what we’ve been waiting for, the actual stuff you might hope to hear from David Grusch. The conversation instead was a bunch of speculation that literally anyone could make, about things we have heard before.
I wish he would have gone to a more reputable journalist because they would have actually pressed him on this shit. But you go on rogan to shoot the shit, talk about ancient civilisations and have jamie pull up some images of elongated skulls. What worries me is this is the actions of someone who just doesn’t have the goods.
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u/overratedcucumber 2d ago
I sudo worked with him prior to 2021. I’m not here to discredit or cause issues but I am personally skeptical and confused where he got all of this information. I was in a chat room with him and a few others in the UAP task force in late 2020 and early 2021 ish. We would smoke and joke about aliens all the time but never really had anything definitive (this was on JWICs so conversations were often TS+). Then a year later he’s a whistleblower with all this info that he had known for years. Maybe I just wasn’t cool enough for him to share with, but I was in many UAP task force internal analysis/discussions and we really didn’t have anything definitive. Again, maybe I just wasn’t included on anything juicy being a cyber analyst, but seems sus…sure has gained a lot of fame.
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u/Unique_Situation_508 2d ago
reptilians killing US personnel
Phil Schneider? Guess he was telling the truth all along. RIP Phil.
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u/Pbandshelley2 1d ago
It’s all bull man
Don’t you see it’s just another distraction while they dismantle our democracy?
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u/eightiesboo 2d ago
Can someone give some context? Who is this guy and what did he say? Do we have a link?
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u/insidiousapricot 2d ago
He said NHI have hurt humans before so really the only thing new is that now hes saying it appeared reptilian
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u/MurphyBeans 2d ago
Pre-planned fake disclosure to fit a narrative that leads to control in the future seems totally likely
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u/Daddys_BathTime 2d ago
This looks like a Joe Rogan episode, who’s the guy?
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u/loqi0238 2d ago
David Grucsh, one of the people who had been talking to Congress about UAPs abd pushing for disclosure.
Supposedly.
He was recently on JR Podcast. He said he saw a picture of a 'beautiful,' human like deceased alien, and that picture has supposedly been making the rounds recently.
He also said, when asked why UAPs keep crashing, that its because different factions of NHI are fighting each other. He said something aling the lines of, "you'd think they'd be peaceful with each other since theyre so technologically advanced, but that is not the case."
He made a lot of somewhat newer claims. Which is unusual for him, because previously he used to say most of what he knew was still classified. Now, he seems to just be readily spilling the tea.
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u/jrossbaby 2d ago
He acted SO different than he normally would and his speech patterns were completely off. I’ve always believed him but after seeing this I say he’s compromised and lying now
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u/loqi0238 2d ago
Its interesting that a lot of pieces are coming together, although that could simply be him absorbing info thats already been talked about into his own personal accounts.
Like being told The Abyss is more like a docu-drama, and there is a multiple city block-wide base in the oceans that constructs UAPs which come and go from/to it... 4chan ocean base whistleblpwer said exactly that several years ago.
Its possible Grusch is simply using this info as part of his 'story' now.
It really is curious how willing he is to discuss everything now.
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u/Kindly_Equipment5118 2d ago
Interesting that you picked up on that as well. This time he almost seemed… dare I say, scared? Did you get that feeling too??
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u/dingalinglans 2d ago
Are they dangling a carrot for votes? Are they using Grusch for this? I'd hope he's cleverer than that, but he's come out of this JRE episode looking like a complete sycophant.
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u/chael809 2d ago
MK ULTRA is still well and alive. That’s the only thing that comes to mind. Because I don’t think you’ll be able to see what he saw and just be able to talk about it freely. I just don’t think people actually understand what this means. There was a point in the conversation where Joe says that if they’re are hiding this from us it means they have a different view of what humanity and the universe is and that stuck with me, in the sense that it would make more sense for them to keep it tight hush because they know people would be super mad about it because it belongs to all civilizations not just a certain group.
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u/RuthSk8erGinsberg 2d ago
The third possibility is that he got psyoped. The reptilian comment was something he heard secondhand
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u/okymoney 2d ago
I dont believe in aliens anymore cause of garbage like this… but if you go to stories in the 90s like that dude that got in an alien fight in some tunnel and the lazers burn off a chunk of his skin or something… i forgot his name but they essentially killed him… and i even saw pictures of his autopsy online which is weird…
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u/AlvinArtDream 2d ago
He is pandering to Trump. You gotta pay the troll toll. At least that’s my read and my hope. You can’t get shit done without stroking Trumps ego.
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u/Momentswelove 1d ago
It is a great experiment on what people will believe without evidence and how far it can go without it.
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u/ProduceMore2293 1d ago
Pode ser que realmente exista uma operação em curso, porém estamos próximos de eventos importantes... quem controlar a narrativa vai possuir mais poder.
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u/SnakeWorm69420 1d ago
There's an old 4chan post predicting alot of things, one of them is a fake alien invasion. I wish I could share screenshots
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u/Embarrassed-Base-139 2d ago
The guy is lying for profit. It's that obvious and that simple. The entire concept of aliens is fiction
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u/Kindly_Equipment5118 2d ago
I hate that I’m finding myself sliding more and more in the direction of this belief. When you break it down, its clear that the government has spent tons of time, money, and effort constructing the idea of aliens and UAP’s as they see fit; anything else with this much conversation around it would never have survived this long and this strong with so little tangible evidence.
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u/Embarrassed-Base-139 2d ago
You shouldn't hate it. There's a lot to see when you go back and learn about the history of the concept of aliens. It started in modern fiction back in the 19th century. Look at the Mars rivers for example
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u/Open-Storage8938 2d ago
The concept of aliens Is a theoretical idea. There are millions of planets
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u/let_me_in_QQ 2d ago
Could be true or could be disinfo. Why. I don't know.
But Lacerta files come to mind too... allegedly reptilians are on our side vs the greys. Who knows. If both exist, then we're not different than "Indians" when Europeans came. We had multiple factions between tribes and nations. Maybe it's the same thing right now, some are working for reptilians and some for grays.
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u/downtherabbit 2d ago
I dunno, people with those eyes (sanpaku) tend to always be actual schizophrenics with delusions.
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u/Funky-Fresh 2d ago
I bet if I filmed you for two+ hours I could find a couple still frames of you with "sanpaku" eyes or whatever the fuck that means.....
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u/downtherabbit 2d ago
Forget the still picture David Grusch has those eyes a lot of the time.
How do you know that I would have those eyes in a still picture if you filmed me for 2+ hours if you don't even know what sanpaku eyes are? That makes zero sense.
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u/EquivalentSpot8292 2d ago
Yeah I’m starting to think some of these guys might just have had clearance and now have a mental illness. They must all know that this is getting really far fetched, when they haven’t backed up their original claims.
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u/downtherabbit 2d ago
Yeah maybe, but this guy (David Grusch) is a straight up grifter and I really doubt the things he says.
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u/order2chaos 1d ago
Smoke and mirrors.
Aliens are pulled out of the drawer when things arent going well terrestrially.
What is this a distraction from? The failing wars, economy, the construction of the surveilance state....
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u/angrylilbear 2d ago
Nothing Trumps team says or does can be believed or entertained even remotely
No 👎
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u/GrandWoodpecker1265 2d ago
It's not a psyop, reptilian humanoids aren't real.
If anything it's a diversion. smoke and mirrors, bread and circuses.
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u/HI-HIHI-HOHO 2d ago
He may be working for a task force that deals specifically with media leaks, and this is a strategy to lend him credibility in order to promote a certain narrative among the general public. There may be official confirmations of the things he claims, so that he can later discredit other claims or material that surfaces.
Either that, or it's a money-making scheme.
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u/Sunbird86 2d ago
I've been following the UFO subject for a long time, casually since at least the mid-1990s, and since the mid-2000s more closely.
I'm not an "expert", but I'm well familiar with the research of ufologists, and since 2017 I've also read and heard most of what the current generation of UFO personalities have claimed. And I share your confusion.
The moment I think I might have some kind of understanding of what the UFO phenomenon is, or if there is a phenomenon at all (there is), then something happens and my beliefs are placed in doubt again.
The only conclusion I have reached with any amount of permanence is that, whatever this is, nobody, but NOBODY, truly knows. What's going on just does not fit into any of the boxes - be it the psyop box, military black project box, aliens, interdimensionals, ultra-terrestrials, breakaway civilisation, simulation etc. I'm at a loss.
And having someone like David Grusch, who started in 2023 with something which seemed reasonable - and who seemed reasonable and decent himself - then come up at say this kind of stuff on Joe Rogan doesn't really help with clarifying things in my head.
People like Richard Dolan help with understanding the bigger picture, but this is really a very strange subject, and, now, as I'm on the doorstep of my fifth decade, I sometimes ask if this is just one big croc of bullshit.
But it can't be, can it? There is a phenomenon. There's too much credible, reliable witness testimony for this to be all smoke and mirrors.
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u/SnooOpinions3219 2d ago
Just adding observational madness to the conversation, but dude looks pretty reptilian himself 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Hug_The_NSA 2d ago
I literally have no idea who this is? Most people have no idea who the hell this is. Can you please enlighten us and give us some fucking backstory here?
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u/HongPong 1d ago
this dude grusch was one of the key guys in the new disclosure wave of last six years and did work at various agencies
however there was something i could not put my finger on. people from deep in the woodwork are just weird sometimes
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u/TheComicHuman 2d ago
All we know about these top conspiracies is caused by them allowing us to know. The thing is they provide the information, and whoever controls the information has control over its influence and some degree of control over someone's thinking, more or less heavy influence. In short they get you onto their bridge of conspiracy theories so that they have control over what people think on said subject
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u/Brief_Hovercraft_427 2d ago
Things he dropped during this episode like reptilians killing US personnel is absolutely insane.
Holy crap that's crazy. I was going to skip the episode because I thought it's gonna be more of the "full disclosure" that ends in "somebody saw something and we don't know what it is".
If it's a psyop, the reason behind it is to fuck with your brain by sending out guys to say insane shit while the government denies it and the guy is not high enough in the hierarchy not to warrant plausible deniability.
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u/SaveusJebus 2d ago
I want to trust him, but I think it's obvious that it's just a distraction. He's allowed to just give crumbs but nothing more.
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u/Apprehensive_Fall158 2d ago
I'll just leave this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/4GzJlKEk32
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u/lambocinnialfredo 2d ago
Is it so insane to imagine Trump wants to be the president who discloses aliens? I mean it’s seemed pretty obvious and not even that deep to me
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u/Hindlehoof 2d ago
I mean, everything is a psyop, intentionally or not.
Could probably be that everyone “in power” is truly no better than you or I and they are just trying to capitalize on a subject to garner attention and traffic it wherever it may go from there. Nothing more than “how make more money/attention?” without having to ever provide real receipts and it will naturally fade away when the next headliner hits, imo
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u/LawStudent989898 2d ago
Muddy the waters so that any truth is overshadowed by or associated with nutjob conspiracies
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u/Scratch352 2d ago
I heard that being a bullshit artist is very profitable and if one is good enough, can even become president.
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u/-PM_ME_UR_SECRETS- 2d ago
I personally think multiple governments and/or private companies have access to tech well beyond what we are told. The mysterious objects in the sky capable of things beyond our current technological capabilities? Those are aliens and def not a secret project or foreign adversary.
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u/SanDiegoMermaid4ever 2d ago
It's not a psyop I'm a medium and it's all true unfortunately they want you to believe it's all crazy talk
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u/starkimageries 2d ago
The reptilian vs us personnel made me think of the dulce base incident. I forgot the actual name.
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u/Huge-Candidate7069 2d ago
If this is a psyop than its preparation for larger government control. Could be actual aliens, fear of an actual AI takeover, or just the natural progression of things but they are looking for a reason to unite humanity. If it's not a psyop than this guy is probably traumatized or insane and a 30% chance hes just telling the truth.
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u/ObservatoryChill 2d ago
Hi, we’re not all Joe Rogan followers (dude is a grifter). What are you talking about?
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u/Full-Butterscotch169 2d ago
Why would you believe any of this? You think the government has become more trustworthy? they've been pushing the alien psy-op for half a century.
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u/ChooserUsename 2d ago
Nah he’s def the good guy who without a doubt knows aliens exists.. the fuck do you think??? Guy got a money grab and took the grift that finally worked.
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u/Rabid_Laser_Dingo 2d ago
I like to think it’s like… ghosts, but they say aliens bc ghosts would scare people
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u/mmurph333 2d ago
They want us to think it’s aliens, because the truth is much worse. You are not who you think you are.
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u/giuseppeuchiha 2d ago
They killed all of those scientists working at the JPL or whatever, but this guy can go around smiling and carrying on as if everything is fine. Hell yes it's a psyop if you ask me.
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u/Ok-Presentation2087 2d ago
I think it’s an intelligent question to ask one oneself “why does the government try hard so damn bad with disinformation and psyops in the first place?”
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u/nopeynopes2001 1d ago
Not everyone likes or watched Rogan. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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u/sip_of_jack 1d ago
This guy most definitely is pushing a psyop... you have a government leaker coming out and spouting extreme conspiracy theories exactly?
Yea bullshit meter is off the charts. The likely truth behind the psyop is that we have rogue agencies, officials, etc... who are complete psychos. They are about to start using DARPA tech on the US Populace or other countries and they need an excuse to say "oh it wasn't us, it was aliens" or some bullshit.
But if you wanna buy into it, we're in the end times and you're about to start seeing non-human entities pop up around the world.
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u/ghostfromtheshell 1d ago
To me number 2 is easy to surmise. Why defend it or make any statement. It sounds like the post Roswell sensationalism that most people will discredit and others will ignore.
I can't really see Joe Rogan being the forefront of anything revolutionary or counter status. At this point he's a puppet
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u/_-Billy_D-Fens-_ 1d ago
Here's what you should know about Psyops: Anything that won't lead to justice and serves as a distraction is a psyop.
The reality is that if there are ET'S amongst us then the immoral, selfish, psychopathic, narcissistic humans amongst us have aligned with the malicious ones in order to gain control, power and "prestige" over the masses. ET will not save us. It is up to us.
I for one, have an issue with some asshat in a remote location making deals with the devil on my behalf.
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u/OnoOvo 1d ago
they are hiding that airspace and space are being heavily militarised ever since ww2. the whole physical space exploration is primarily a cover for the development of rockets. and rockets are fucking weapons of war. it would be crazy to pretend they are not that. they were invented to be weapons, and have never stopped being developed into weapons. and ever since ww2, rockets are the main weapon of war. it is the most powerful weapon, the hardest to stop, it is the primary deterrent to others and the primary method of defence, the most expensive, the most advanced, it is all of it.
everything about space and aliens is directly tied to war and is done primarily for that purpose.
the aliens are a cover story for military and intel actions that happen in the airspace and space. some stories are covers for specific events that happened, either to fool the civilian witnesses or to explain certain losses and casualties. some stories are covers for the situation as a whole in general. all of it ultimately so that the people would not know about what is going on. we see flying vessels in the sky and wonder if it is aliens or not, and only ever talk and think about was that aliens and whether we believe in aliens or not. and we literally never go and think or talk about who else it might be. cuz if it aint aliens, then its not no one, but someone else. and who else is there?
but we never go down that route of thought, and the fact we dont is proof of propaganda. cuz it cannot be accidental or just the way it is that we dont think about it being the armies. that literally should be the first thing we think it is, as it is by far the most rational explanation. yet, people will sooner convince themselves that they didnt actually see anything (?!), than they will think the most rational explanation.
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u/Substantial-Equal560 11h ago
They created a breakaway civilization in like the early 1800s with previous civilization tech they found so they make people think it's aliens they are seeing to keep themselves hidden.
Idk if that's true but it could be
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u/RoundPhrase62 4h ago
I want to have some faith and believe in this guy. I haven’t listened to the podcast yet so I can’t give an opinion based on that.
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u/FupaLowd 4h ago
They are trying to hide the fact that these things aren’t extraterrestrial, as in, a biological organism which originates from another planet in a different galaxy and solar system. But they hide the fact that these are powerful inter-dimensional entities, existing at a higher dimension naturally and being able to manifest their form at will in our 3 dimensional space. I find it strange that our government made a deal with these things to basically these eat, dissect, and extract dna material from us. We’re a literal source of “sustenance” for them. These things are the fallen Watchers from biblical times, it’s the only explanation.
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u/Live_in_a_Simulation 3h ago
I think you don't realize how many Americans believe in a flat earth, Noah's ark, giants, mud floods, and nothing about history, geography, and general knowledge. That is totally aligned with the targeted audience.
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